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View Poll Results: Does German 'Capturerd' Allied Tanks effective during the war?

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Thread: Beutepanzers : Items Captured By the German Military

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    Default Re: Beutepanzers

    For once, playing computer games helps to grow a correct view.
    A captured tool is always effective, since you didn't need to manufacture it.
    In case of the Allies, it was as simple as that.
    For the Germans however, the early batch of russian material was not only effective, it was very much needed. And not only in the quality, but also quantity.
    One thing is for sure, the Germans excell(ed) in engineering and technical craftmanship. Very useful if you capture "raw" material that is produced by the mass industry of your enemy. Rechambering the 76mm russian field gun for example and utilizing it in assault guns and tank killers proved very effective. Just as the Czech tanks were in the Blitzkrieg. I'm sure the Blitzkrieg would have shown less smoothness if there waren't any Czech tanks available. Rechambering the PPsh guns as well, making them work with German 9mm ammo.

    Think of it as ripping off a Mustang from the boy you hate most in the street and only putting a Roots compressor on it yourself.
    Now think whether it was effective in your quest for "developing a muscle car".
    Last edited by steben; 08-04-2011 at 09:00 AM.

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    Default Re: Beutepanzers

    Quote Originally Posted by burp View Post
    And with German modification better than original.
    PzKpfw 756(r) !!!
    It is nice to have big heavy tanks, it is even nicer not to need them

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    Default Re: Beutepanzers

    Wasn't there a time that Rommel had more captured gear than German ? The DAK was famous for making do with stuff left behind by other armies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by relic View Post
    Wasn't there a time that Rommel had more captured gear than German ? The DAK was famous for making do with stuff left behind by other armies.
    In the Western Desert all sides made liberal use of captured equipment.
    IN the days of lace-ruffles, perukes and brocade
    Brown Bess was a partner whom none could despise
    An out-spoken, flinty-lipped, brazen-faced jade,
    With a habit of looking men straight in the eyes
    At Blenheim and Ramillies fops would confess
    They were pierced to the heart by the charms of Brown Bess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by relic View Post
    Wasn't there a time that Rommel had more captured gear than German ? The DAK was famous for making do with stuff left behind by other armies.
    Yes, he set a good example himself concerning his command vehicle.

    "I just ran out of ammo. I will ram this one. Good bye, we'll meet in Valhalla." - Major Heinrich Ehrler, April 4, 1945

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    He liked them so much he used 2 of the Dorchester ACV, Max WH-819-835 and Moritz WH-819-834

    Among the vehicles captured by the DAK on the outskirts of Mechili during 7 - 8 April, 1941, were three Armored Command Vehicles. These originally belonged to Maj.-Gen. Gambier-Parry, commander of 2nd Armoured Division; Lt.-Gen. Sir Phillip Neame V.C., commander of 8th Army; and Lt.-Gen. Sir Richard O'Connor, Assistant Commander 8th Army
    In one of them is where he is reputed to have found his trademark goggles (a box of them were inside one of the ACV's).
    IN the days of lace-ruffles, perukes and brocade
    Brown Bess was a partner whom none could despise
    An out-spoken, flinty-lipped, brazen-faced jade,
    With a habit of looking men straight in the eyes
    At Blenheim and Ramillies fops would confess
    They were pierced to the heart by the charms of Brown Bess.

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    Default Re: Beutepanzers

    Regarding the Afrikakorps, I think that I read once that at times the number of foreign supply vehicles made up to 80% of the overall supply vehicles of the DAK. That would be quite a lot!

    Also, I think you could say that Germany ran a business with captured equipment, often selling them to other Axis members (especially smaller ones which did not have sufficient industry to produce the equipment themselves).

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    Default Re: Beutepanzers : Items Captured By the German Military

    Thread merged with earlier source featuring some nice pictures. Here are some pic's of the H-39's used by the Heer in Normandy during the first days after Overlord. These were used as stopgap, expendable AFV's stationed close to the coast to delay Allied advances before the panzers could get there, and were easily handled by anti-tank weapons and Allied tanks:
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