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    Default Italian Artillery and Anti-Tank Weapons

    If you have any information on any artillery and anti-tank weapons of the Italian military please post your information here.
    Obice da 210/22 modello 35 Artillary Weapon


    I would post more, but I do not know much about Italian Artillery and Anti-Tank weapons. So please help me out so I can learn more.
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    A great Italian Artillery weapon.

    thank you Panzersnacker
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    thank you Panzersnacker
    You mean Panzerknacker...you welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    You mean Panzerknacker...you welcome.
    So sorry. I was in a hurry when I was making that post. Really Sorry!
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    Default Re: Italian Artillery and Anti-Tank Weapons

    [QUOTE thank you Panzersnacker =Panzerknacker;95518]You mean Panzerknacker...you welcome.[/QUOTE]

    Like with the footballer bastian Schweinsteiger (in itself already a humorous name really), which some french(?) trainer on a TV interview corrupted to Scheisssteiner....and appeared to have said it unintentionally.
    lol.

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    Hi!

    Recently i found some transport caps for Italian shells, i have been told its for time fuze mod 1906/17.
    I hope some one can tell me more about this fuze and shells and to what artillery piece it belonged!
    Also can someone tell me where the T stands for? On the left side of the last photo are some caps that are made from zinc/copper mixture? the rest is aluminium.

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    the Italian anti tank and anti personell weapons were effective, but they really struggledd with any of the Gerry (German) tanks and the personell troop carriers, but it would of been really good if this area of time and effectiveness into their other military weapons, such as EVERYTHING THEY OWNED ESPECIALLY THEIR Manlicher- Carcarno's, after shooting a 6.5 x 55 mauser, a 6.5 x 52 carcarno, a Mk 1 No. 3 - 303 british, a 30-06 springfield, the most inaffective rifle of the four is the mannlicher carcarnos, and the sight radius was good, but still stuggaling to keep 10 rounds within a eight inch group at 200 yards. sorry, but i have a british point of view on the matter, dont worry if it is peasamistic to the Italians.

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    The Italians used the 20mm Solothurn S18-1000 anti-tank rifle. A big, heavy device, but effective against tanks in 1940: it could penetrate up to 40mm armour at short range (realistically, 25-30mm in combat).

    The pic below comes from this site: http://www.amsd.ch/s18/menu_s18_solothurn.html

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    I just love those hats - they'd go well with a lady's outfit at the Royal Ascot races!

    The horizontal bars sticking from either side of the muzzle look interesting - I've not seen them before, but I presume that they are to allow the gunner to check that the gun is held upright and not canted, as that affects the accuracy of the sights.
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    I just love those hats - they'd go well with a lady's outfit at the Royal Ascot races!
    Only if they are not alergic to the pheasant feathers.

    Probably those guys fight better than they looks. Couldnt be the bars also used for handling this weapon?

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    Default Re: Italian Artillery and Anti-Tank Weapons

    I had forgotten that the Solothurn had a changeable barrel, (a senior moment I think,,,) makes sense, no fun handling a hot tube when changing.

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    65/17 mod 1911

    Developed as mountain gun, the piece responded well a great deal to the 1ww operational employment resulting precise, strong and reliable. Its greatest defect was the elevation, up to 20°, absolutely insufficient in the mountain ground. In fact the artillerymen were often forced to increase elevation lifting the gun on parapets of earth making, that did assume to acrobatic position
    Besides, the lone charge, and the flat trajectory, they especially limited greatly the choice of the positions and the effectiveness in mountain ground.
    In 1920 the gun was replaced by the Austrian howitzer 75/13 mod 15, clearly superior to the Italian piece. In 1926 it was attributed to the infantry. How weapon of infantry, a long range not being more necessary, and were distributed new ammunition with reduced charge, which allowed a rather curved trajectory, very more proper for the fire above the troops friends. In 1936 in the operations was thickly employed for the conquest of the Abbissinia, then in Spain.
    In 1940 they were present 719 pieces with 1.542.000 shells. Particularly serious it was the lack of antitank ammunition , in the 1st year of war they were available only 93.600 APHE…. During the war it operate on all the fronts resulting extremely versatile and superior to the 47/32 by the most greater power and effectiveness of the APHE ammunition and EP (Effetto Pronto = ready effect = HESH). The EP ammunition were available from the spring 1942, and shipped to the 8 army and those fighting in Libya, in oriental and northern Africa. Was employed on Fiat 634 truck, 28 guns were installed on English Morris CS6 going to constitute together with 75/27 and 100/17 gun, the famous flying batteries. In January 1942 they were available 655 pieces, in December 444. in Tunisia they operated 96 pieces. The pieces captured by the Germans were renamed 6.5cm GebK 246(i ).
    The ammunition were:
    Torpedo shell with reduced and normal charge for the use of the infantry.
    APHE with base fuze mod 09
    Antitank shell EP, EPS with I-35 fuze (HEAT) and EPS 42 (HEAT) with special fuze of German conception.
    Canister
    Incendiary smoke shell with white phosphorus and I-38 fuze
    Steel case was made too.

    pictures:
    tunisia, la spezia division
    tunisia la spezia division with 3 wheel morcycle Trialce
    russia
    flyng batteries on british truck (morris ??)
    drinking on flybg batteries
    65/17 APHE with base fuze mod 09
    some ammunition of ww1 design: 1, 2 3 torpedo shell, 3rd has the rosetta ritardatrice ( retarding plate) to curved the trajectory. the other are shrapnell
    EP, EPS, canister and WP are missing, sorry.
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    Default Re: Italian Artillery and Anti-Tank Weapons

    Wonderful post fert, thanks

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    it's a pleasure.
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