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    Default Re: Italian Artillery and Anti-Tank Weapons

    ammunition

    Case: 75x185 rim 90mm; case also used on 75/18 field gun mod 35
    Old ww1 shell with m10 fuze
    M32 shell with M10 or IO40 direct action fuze
    Double effect shell mod 32 wit time and percussion fuze mod 36
    French shells mod 1900/15 and 17
    Shrapnel wit mod 06 fuze
    EP, EPS, EPS 42 antitank shells
    White Phosphorus shell
    Gas shell
    In April 1943 2.842 75/27 round was prepared with Greek APHE captured shellswith French base fuze mod 18.
    In 1942 firing tests were effected with EP shells on T-34 tanks; it doesn't produce sensitive effects against the T34.

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    1-shell: shrapnell, old ww1 model fuze m10; m32 shell fuze m10; m32 shell fuze IO40
    2-case: brass and steel
    3-cover
    4-5-6-7 ammo box (german stencilling)
    8-9 round position
    10- shell detonator-plug-fuze
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    Default Re: Italian Artillery and Anti-Tank Weapons

    italian projectile for separated load

    APHE
    SAPHE
    EP
    EPS
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    Default Re: Italian Artillery and Anti-Tank Weapons

    fert, or Tony W.

    Do you have any detailed info on the 100/17 & it's ammo, similar to that which you have posted about both the 65mm & 75mm pieces please?

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    Very good, is interesting to see the large and widespread use of the hollow charge ( effeto pronto = quick effect) projectiles.

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    the lack of efficient antitank guns, made to develop HEAT ammunitions, to use on the existing guns, for the majority field guns, with low muzzle velocity.
    the German supplies of antitank guns from 3.7cm pak, 5cm pak 7,5cm pak and 8,8cm flak never did not overwhelm the deficit.


    @ DavidW: it's in preparing.

    picture: italian EP shell
    greetings
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    Default Re: Italian Artillery and Anti-Tank Weapons

    Thank you kind sir.

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    100/17 mod 14 and 16


    The victory on Austria Hungary of the ww1 delivered to Italian army 1339 100/17 mod 14 field and 95 mod 16 mountain howitzers. The captured material was also delivered in account damn-reparation of war, and quantified in 557 barrel + 56 gun carriage mod 16 mountain, 915 barrel + 735 gun carriage field. This resolved one of the greatest problems emerged during the ww1 the lack of a light curved draught howitzer.
    The Skoda 10cm mod 14 and mod 16 were good weapons, solid and strong, besides the power of burst of the shells was clearly superior to that of the Italian 105/28 Ansaldo/Schneiders howitzers.
    The lack of ammunition did that, a new model of shell was adopted, the mod 32 with 2,3 kg of tritolo (1 in more than the Austrians), good ballistic coefficient that increased the range about 500m. The residual Austrian
    ammunition was standardized and endowed with Italian fuze. The howitzers were suited for the mechanical drawing, through elastic cart and semi pneumatic wheels.
    Thanks the wide availability of howitzers, many were assigned to the GAF for the armament of strengthened works.
    At the beginning of the ww2, the Army had available 1325 howitzers mod 14 animal drawing, 199 mechanical drawing and 181 mod 16 mountain.
    In 1941 were lined up in Albania 140 howitzers mod 14 and 108 mod 16.
    Northern Africa, October 1941; 137 with semi pneumatic wheels; in 1943 they were reduced to 56. To improve the mobility they were installed on heavy trucks Lancia 3RO.
    In April 1942 they were available 173 howitzers from 100/17 mod 16, 192 mod 14 mechanical drawing, 1583 animal drawing.
    The new 105/20 Ansaldo and 105/23 OTO howitzers destined to its substitution didn't overcome the prototype stage, while the German 10.5cm le. FH 18/40 adopted in July 1943, were never delivered.
    Employed in Russia, and in the Lybic-Egyptian desert, the 100/17 underline all its limits especially in terms of maximum range and mobility.
    Despite the low muzzle velocity and the limited horizontal sector, was often employed as antitank gun. The EP shells were ready to half 1942, while the EPS only in May 1943. The tests done in May 42 with Germans on T34 tanks, showed the great efficiency of the EP projectiles. The obtained results have also surprised the German which considered that such effects were best of the their own 10.5cm Hl shells. As usual the lack antitank ammunition during the war, did the Italian artillerymen use HE shell without fuze (like shot) against the hostile tank, getting good results.
    After September 8 the howitzers captured by the Germans assumed the name of 10cm FH 315(i).

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    100/17 mod 14 in position with ammo limber on side
    100/17 mod 17 with elastic cart for mechanical drawing
    100/17 mod 16 with semi pneumatic weels
    loading a hold type shell
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    Default Re: Italian Artillery and Anti-Tank Weapons

    ammunition:

    granata = shell
    granata shrapnel = shrapnel shell (shrapnell + HE)
    shrapnell
    scuola tiro = firing school
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    many shell for AA 102/35 shell ver modified to fire in 100/17 howitzer

    HE shell made from ex 102/35 shell
    twin effect shell fuze mod 12 (time and percussione)
    shrapnell shell fuze mod 14 (time and percussion) (ex austrian)
    shrapnell mod 12 time and percussion fuze (from shrapnell shell ex austrian)
    Shrapnel (ex austrian) with italina fuze mod 12
    HE shell ex 102/35 with firing school load
    blank wood projectile
    cartridge case (steel, iron and btrass)

    these are old shell pre 1932 model
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    Default Re: Italian Artillery and Anti-Tank Weapons

    ammunition used:
    Austrian ww1 shells;
    twin effect shells with italian mosd 12 fzue
    shell shrapnel
    mod 32 shell with m10 percussion fuze
    mod 32 twin effect with mod 36 time and percussion fuze
    anti tank, EP. EPS
    Polish shells mod 23 e 28
    Gas shell
    Smoke and smoke incendiary WP shell

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    case
    HE mod 32 mod 10 percussion fuze
    old twin effect with mod 12 fuze
    2 twin effect shell mod 32 with mod 36DE (doppio effetto= twin effect=time percussion) fuze
    dummy shell mod 32
    HE shell from 102/35

    pic2
    mod 36 DE

    pic3
    ex 102/35 shell transformed for 100/17 ( the 102/35 driving band was elinitated and replaced)

    pic 4
    stencilling on shell
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    cases 100x132 rim 115

    italian made brass case
    ex austrian case with italian markings
    italian made iron = ferro
    polish case remarked by italian, and german umgestempelt (this is a 100x183 case cut down....I think)
    case with element
    and element


    best regards
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    Default Re: Italian Artillery and Anti-Tank Weapons

    I forgot the anti tank shell.....
    EP and EPS


    and the EP shells effect on turret and side of T34
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    Thank you.

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    Anyone happen to have any details for the methods for massing battalion and multibattalion artillery fires? I'm searching for information and unrefined data on the procedures and equipment used for the command and control of the Italian divsion and corps/army artillery. please contact me here or directly if you have any knowledge or sources for this.

    Thanks

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    Carl.

    I'm really interested in this topic too. Information on Italian artillery doctrine of WWII is so hard to find. Especially on the larger scale firing plans.

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