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    The (North) Korean People's Army crossed the 38th Parallel into South Korean territory - initiating the Korean War - on 25 June, 1950, 62 years ago today. Best regards, JR.

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    Yeah, hardly they suspected in 1950 how many states will be involved into that war of korean henocide.

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    I apologize for not replying more quickly. Don't people feel that the U.S. and other countries aiding the South Koreans had a moral obligation to pressure them to stop massacres of leftists/suspected communist sympathizers/etc. I would think that the countries helping the South Koreans would have been in a position to pressure them to change some of their more outrageous behaviors.

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    Do people have any opinions as to how much the American public knew about the villainy of the South Koreans? I would have guessed that the public might have been very disenchanted with many of the things the South Koreans were doing and might have demanded the government stop providing them with aid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cojimar 1945 View Post
    I apologize for not replying more quickly. Don't people feel that the U.S. and other countries aiding the South Koreans had a moral obligation to pressure them to stop massacres of leftists/suspected communist sympathizers/etc. I would think that the countries helping the South Koreans would have been in a position to pressure them to change some of their more outrageous behaviors.
    Ideally, yes. But rapid advances creating chaotic situations where one side is completely outgunned are hardly conducive to well-thought out policies, nor do I think there was much real time reporting focusing on the actions of individual police and military units carrying out shootings while in full retreat as it was assumed--correctly--that the North Koreans were also conducting their own massacres. I think the U.S. was more concerned about preventing a massacre of the members of a sovereign gov't and its supporters being overrun by an aggressor. The U.S. and U.N. did have a very tenuous relationship with ROK leader Syngmon Rhee by the end of the war, and much of it was over his policies in general and his wish to continue the war...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cojimar 1945 View Post
    Do people have any opinions as to how much the American public knew about the villainy of the South Koreans? I would have guessed that the public might have been very disenchanted with many of the things the South Koreans were doing and might have demanded the government stop providing them with aid.
    "Villainy" of which "South Koreans?" Were they all villains? Were they anymore villains than Poles, who were also the victims of an aggressive war? Incidentally, it's often stated that few Americans could have even found Korea on a map in 1950! The Soviet Union and China had no problem supporting sociopathic "villains" in North Korea, to the extent they armed them and created their ability to offensively launch wars of aggression whereas the South was largely armed with very light weapons and mainly comprised to fight guerrillas...

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    It might help put Picasso’s work in perspective - at the time of the Korean War he was a staunch Communist. He would have been influenced by Communist Propaganda and the N. Koreans were Communist. It would be normal for him to be anti US and use his work to reflect his feelings.

    There are “protest” groups that base their “releases” entirely on N. Korean Propaganda and their antithesis towards Governments, especially the US Government. This was true of the VN War also.

    It has been 20yrs since I was active in intelligence matters on the Korean Peninsula but as there are many examples of what the N. Koreans put out in their Korean War museum. The tour guide tells all people that American Soldiers, as a matter of routine, cut the fetus out of pregnant women an ate them!

    This is only one example of what the N. Korean people are taught about the US and the rest of the world.
    N. Koreans believe this bull because they have no other source of information, these “Protest Groups” believe it because they want to and it fits their agenda (and, of course, they are fools).

    Political (and Religious) groups here in the US use the same tactics - and people believe what they want and they are too laze to actually research an issue. It is much easier to let someone else tell you what you want to hear.

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    I have no idea as to whether Picasso was a communist or not, but there is communist propaganda, and there are real massacres. The Bodo League Massacre was indeed a real event and the extrajudicial killings were indeed ordered by South Korean President Syngman Rhee. That is not from communist sources, but is verified by members of the U.S. military and diplomats as well as a sort of "Truth and Reconciliation Commission" of sorts in South Korea. I think the only real contentions were the numbers killed and whether the remains of victims found were only killed by the ROK forces, or if there are also victims of later communist massacres conducted under North Korean occupation that have been mistakenly or purposely lumped into the death toll...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cojimar 1945 View Post
    I apologize for not replying more quickly. Don't people feel that the U.S. and other countries aiding the South Koreans had a moral obligation to pressure them to stop massacres of leftists/suspected communist sympathizers/etc. I would think that the countries helping the South Koreans would have been in a position to pressure them to change some of their more outrageous behaviors.
    Perhaps if you had replied sooner, you would have seen that you asked this very question already albeit with slightly different wording.

    I would like to ask a question as well; to everyone who has replied to this thread: Would you prefer to live in The Democratic Peoples' Republic of (North) Korea or the Republic of (South) Korea?

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    It seems to me that the best course of action might have been to demand that the atrocities stop if the South Koreans were to continue receiving aid from the United States. Perhaps they could have made it clear that if they were going to continue such activities the U.S. had a moral obligation to at least not provide them with support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I would like to ask a question as well; to everyone who has replied to this thread: Would you prefer to live in The Democratic Peoples' Republic of (North) Korea or the Republic of (South) Korea?
    Is this political choice- i would prefer to live in rising nationalistic Vietnam or China then in corrupt and occuped by US military, puppet regime of so called Repablic of Korea ( aka "democratic").

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    I think the next article might be interesting..
    http://www.iacenter.org/Koreafiles/ktc-civilnetwork.htm
    Statistics on Crimes Committed
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    Civil Network for a Peaceful Korea

    Over 100,000 Cases of Crimes, Over 100,000 Victims

    Crimes committed by US soldiers were found as early as when US troops were first stationed in south Korea. According to the south Korean government's official statistics, 50,082 crimes were committed by US soldiers from 1967 to 1998 (including those by soldiers' families), and 56,904 US soldiers were involved (including soldiers' families) in these crimes. The statistics imply that the actual figure may be higher if take into account those cases not handled by the south Korean police. Based on the statistics, the total number of crimes committed by US soldiers since September 8, 1945 (when they were first stationed in Korea) is estimated to be around 100,000. Unfortunately the south Korean government does not have statistics on US soldiers' crimes committed before 1967, because SOFA (Status of Forces Agreement) went into effect in 1967, allowing the south Korean court jurisdiction over crimes committed by US soldiers with narrow and limited application.

    So, from 1945 to 1967, the US had full authority in court. south Koreans were even subjected to American rulings (of course, in English language). And during 1945-1948, when the US military government took control over the south Korean government, a judge was an active US soldier, with no jury system although the court followed American court system. Many problems aroused including language barrier, lack of cultural understanding and even prejudice on the part of the judge, unfair practices on the part of interpreters.

    Study by Ministry of Justice of south Korea shows that among the 39,452 cases (45,183 US soldiers involved) of crimes committed by US soldiers from 1967 to 1987, south Korea was able to exercise its jurisdiction only in 234 cases, punishing only 351 US soldiers. Among them, 84 US soldiers were convicted of rape and 89 US soldiers were convicted of murder and robbery. Taking into account the fact that rape cases were more common before 1967, and that many rape cases were intentionally hidden and forgotten, the actual number of rape cases committed by US soldiers will be much higher than what official figures suggest.

    1980, the year of civilian uprising in Kwangju alone, over 1,679 crimes committed by US soldiers were reported.

    Due to the military dictator, Chun Doo Hwan’s martial law at the time, south Korea lost its jurisdiction that year. Not even a single case was handled in south Korean court.

    Countless cases of rape were committed by US soldiers, including a woman gang raped by 4 soldiers' in March 1946, a 14-year-old schoolgirl raped in 1956, a daughter and a mother both raped in 1967, a woman raped by 8 soldiers in the mountains in 1971, a month pregnant teacher raped in 1986 by 5 soldiers in the middle of Team Spirit military exercise, a handicapped schoolgirl sexually harassed in 1996, and a 6-year-old girl sexually harassed in May 1997.

    Gregory Henderson, who served at the US embassy in Seoul in the 1950s and 1960s, recalls in his thesis 'politically dangerous factors in US troops exercising operation & control right in Korea':

    " ... Every US soldier from officer down enjoys material indulgence in Korea. Material indulgence includes abundant supply of fresh bodies of young local women."

    Earnst W. Carston, a former chaplain in US military camp in Korea, also harshly criticized US soldiers in his report to the US government in October 1964: "90% of US soldiers in Korea lead immoral sex lives. On being stationed to their posts, a soldier indulges in illegal sex with prostitutes, and when returning to the US, he sells off the woman, her house, and furniture to the new arrival".

    <The Korea Times>, in its June 10th 1971 edition, quoted a high-ranking military officer as saying "around 2 million foreign soldiers stayed in south Korea since the Korean war, among which 70% were venereal diseases patients as well as drug addicts".

    Robert Oliver, an American adviser to former south Korean President Rhee Seong-man, once said that 2,000 US soldiers out of total 30,000 stationed in Korea were from poor class. Also, Kevin Heldman, an American freelancer writer, wrote on the Internet in September 1997 that US troops in Korea are potential criminals and losers had they stayed in the US society.

    Although above comments seem to lay a blame on those less-educated soldiers from poor family background for the crimes, the crime report shows that it is the officers who are very often commit rape and robbery by faking marriages before secretly returning to the US. There is no official statistics on fake marriages, mainly because victims do not want it reported.

    Long Over Stay of US Troops and Their Operation & Control Rights over south Korean military

    The first 3-year history of US military government control in south Korea was not based on a mutual friendship between peoples of the two countries. Rather it was based on a cozy relationship between the two governments. Such circumstances have not changed much since then. For example, US military that withdrew after 3 years of government control in south Korea came back during the Korean war to 'take away' operation & control rights from the south Korean army on July 15th 1950. In October 1953, immediately after the war, the US introduced Korea-US Defense Alliance Treaty, which allowed long-term stay of the US troops in south Korea. This treaty effectively gave the US a virtual full control over the south Korea’s political, military, and economic power.

    In the light of such lopsided treaty which practically handed over a nation’s sovereign rights and the eventual political, military and economical subjugation to US mighty power, it becomes easy to see why such US soldiers crimes are committed easily in south Korea.

    No other place in the world, does the US soldiers enjoy such immunity over the crimes they perpetuate.

    I t is reported that US troops stationed in Okinawa, Japan, called the local prostitutes 'Yellow Stool'. It is not only humiliating to Japan, but also to Korea as well. Such word is a good indicator of how US soldiers look at the local people.

    Even to these days, when they are subjected to south Korean police investigation, US soldiers frequently say "how dare you Koreans treat an American soldier like this’.

    Their debased superiority often comes from the years long of propaganda from US and south Korean governments asserting that it is the US, liberated south Korea from the hands of communist north Korea and without them, north Korea will invade the south Korea right away.

    Moreover, the unique military arrangement in which the visiting force, the US controls the operational command over the south Korean military and it’s own general serving as a Joint Chief of Staff of the combined army, only exacerbates the unfair situation.

    Although many of the past US Secretaries of Defense have repeatedly stated that it is US’s own interest to have the soldiers stationed in south Korea, and that US troops will remain in south Korea even after the reunification of Korea, many US soldiers still believe that they are in south Korea to fight the cold war.

    On sex slavery issue, a Dutch military court in 1946 convicted those who were responsible for rape against minority women. Also in 1995, when three US soldiers gang raped a schoolgirl in Okinawa, Japan, local residents demanded and received an official apology from US President Bill Clinton, US ambassador to Japan, and US military chief. All these are unimaginable in south Korea.

    Such stark difference between situations in south Korea, Japan and the Netherlands illustrates international power structure among the nations.

    Statistics from south Korean government shows visible drop in the number of crimes committed by US soldiers, from 1967 to 1991, 1,100 - 2,300 crimes were committed per year and from 1992, the number dropped to 700-800 cases per year.

    Such improvement was possible because of high-profile murder case of Yoon Kum-i by US soldier Kenneth Markle in October 1992. The cold blooded torture/murder case brought public conscience to the "crimes committed by US troops". The Movement to Eradicate Crimes Committed by US Soldiers was formed as a result.

    However, the south Korean government still exercises very limited jurisdiction over such crimes.

    In 1998, Korea handled only 3.9% of all crimes committed by US soldiers.(and 24.6% of crimes by soldiers' families)
    This views are probably differ from what you usially see on TV

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    Is this political choice- i would prefer to live in rising nationalistic Vietnam or China then in corrupt and occuped by US military, puppet regime of so called Repablic of Korea ( aka "democratic").
    LOL No you wouldn't...

    You like slave labor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    LOL No you wouldn't...

    You like slave labor?
    Lol, i though you like the slave labor?
    No?
    http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1701
    For hundreds of years, Mexican immigrants have been coming to the United States in order to find work. Agriculture has been a main venue for these workers. They come Stateside when the crops come in, and often move from state to state as each plant is ready to harvest. For this reason they are called migrant workers. "Migrant farm workers travel north during the growing season, following the crops, or travel back and forth from home bases in Florida, Texas, California, and Mexico."
    Not only do migrant workers face innumerable hardships such as low wages, unacceptable housing, and lack of health care, yet to make matters worse, Mexican farm laborers are faced with the complete lack of regard of their lives as human beings. Day after day, the laborers are forced to work in conditions that put their lives in peril. Farm workers spend hour after hour in immediate contact with crops that have been profusely sprayed with pesticides
    Seem it isn't popular theme on Zombie-TV which so care about "slavery in communist world?", or i'm wrong
    Mexican victims of sex trafficking often appear in the United States either as prostitutes or as bargirls in cantinas. In high volume brothels, according to the State Department, these women and children are forced to service from 10 to 40 clients each day and are extremely vulnerable to sexually transmitted diseases and excessive physical violence. While prostitution is illegal in most of the United States, “cantinas” — restaurants and bars where clients watch, grope and, on occasion, have sexual encounters with the young victims — are legal and lucrative businesses.

    On November 25, Brooklyn police discovered a sex trafficking ring and found a young Mexican woman who had been forced into prostitution and the buried remains of her two month-old son. The brothel owners, illegal immigrants from Mexico themselves, face criminal charges for sex trafficking in the Brooklyn Federal Court. Domingo Salazar, the man accused of organizing the woman’s capture, allegedly traveled to Mexico, impregnated the young woman and smuggled her back to the United States. Coyotes, or traffickers, intentionally try to impregnate young women because they will be less likely to return home bearing an illegitimate child. This act of coercion is unfortunately a common factor in trafficking Mexican women into brothels in the U.S.
    Time to grow up and look around, my friend. The man's misery and slavery IS around you...
    Now good to compare.From Wiki..
    According to a forecast by the PricewaterhouseCoopers in 2008, Vietnam may be the fastest growing of emerging economies by 2025, with a potential annual growth rate of about 10% in real dollar terms, which would increase the size of the economy to 70% of the size of the UK economy by 2050
    The little country without resources like idiotic russia , is going to commit the economic mirracle.Just by his own will and hands.What a people!!I would be proud to be one of them..

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    Chevan old Pal, N. Korea is not a garden spot, but if you like, you might be able to spend a summer there, see the place as it is, and then tell us all about it. Sounds like quite an adventure. My feeling is that you should do it soon, if through technical, or political ineptitude, N. Korea may come to be known as "that big hole next to China".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    Lol, i though you like the slave labor?
    No?

    Seem it isn't popular theme on Zombie-TV which so care about "slavery in communist world?", or i'm wrong

    Time to grow up and look around, my friend. The man's misery and slavery IS around you...
    Now good to compare.From Wiki..

    The little country without resources like idiotic russia , is going to commit the economic mirracle.Just by his own will and hands.What a people!!I would be proud to be one of them..
    Chevan, what does a Mexican sex trafficking ring have to do with it?

    The question was would you rather live in North or South Korea? Vietnam (which killed at least 250,000 of its citizens in concentration camps after the North conquered the Republic of Vietnam in 1975) and China (which murdered a good number of its people during the Cultural Revolution) were not options. Speaking of illegal immigration, I believe a large number of North Koreans are in China as undocumented workers. Where are the Southerners fleeing too? Oh, wait! They have a strong, industrialized economy with democratic elections and no famines...

    So, I take it you would rather live in the South...

    Right!

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