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    a German A7v, note that most of the hatches would have had a machine gun mounted in them.

    Even if you go to the Tracked Tractors and claim they were tanks...

    {quote]A crude caterpillar track was designed in 1770 by Richard Lovell Edgeworth. The British polymath Sir George Cayley patented a caterpillar track, which he called a "universal railway" (The Mechanics' Magazine, 28 January 1826). In 1837, a Russian inventor Dmitry Zagryazhsky designed a "carriage with mobile tracks" which he patented that same year. However, due to a lack of funds he was unable to build a working prototype. As a result his patent was voided in 1839. Steam powered tractors using a form of caterpillar track were reported in use with the Western Alliance during the Crimean War in the 1850s.

    An effective caterpillar track was invented and implemented by Alvin Lombard, for the Lombard steam log hauler. He was granted a patent in 1901. He built the first steam-powered log hauler at the Waterville Iron Works in Waterville, Maine the same year. In all, eighty-three Lombard steam log haulers are known to have been built up to 1917 when production switched entirely to internal combustion engine powered machines ending with a Fairbanks diesel powered unit in 1934. [/quote]

    Kégresse track is an unusual kind of caterpillar track which uses a flexible belt rather than interlocking metal segments. It can be fitted to a conventional car or truck to turn it into a half-track, suitable for use over rough or soft ground. Conventional front wheels and steering are used.

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    The name comes from the system's inventor Adolphe Kégresse, who designed the original while working for Tsar Nicholas II of Russia between 1906 and 1916.
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    A rare italian design of WW1.

    Fiat 2000 - Model 17

    The first Italian tank. It was conceived by Fiat as a private venture in October 1916. The first prototype was ready in June 1917. Fiat donated 2 tanks to Italian Army in February 1918. Total production until the end of 1919. encompassed 6 vehicles. Arguably the finest heavy tank built in WW1 and a great "what if...". The Fiat 2000 never saw combat.














    http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/I...lianTanks.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000ydstare View Post
    but wrt the first tanks I disagree...
    The reason I said that is because I was watching the Military channel on tanks and it said that France was the first to create a tank. I guess they must of had some wrong information if your post is true.
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    Don't worry about it. The History Channel and other sattelite channels often make mistakes (believe it or not). I think somewhere on here there is a thread about it.

    Like I say though, it is generally accepted that the British were the first to look at an Armoured, Tracked Fighting vehicle. Prior to that there were Armoured Cars, I wouldn't like to guess who invented them, and Tracked gun tractors, maybe armoured but not "tanks".

    The Channel may have used the armoured tracked gun tractors as the first "tank". Bearing in mind that this name was also coined by the British, as a cover originally, "tanks" in other armies were named differently.

    Rather than the British Mk1.
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    Profiles of FIAT 611 armored car and other vehicles deployed in africa.









    In here the 611 is armed with an ansaldo 37 mm gun.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    Probably the most unknkown of the armored divisions. I


    The right SPG is a newly designed semovente?
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    No. I think is a Semovente dal 75/34. That figure refers to the calibre and lenght of the gun.



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    aham.... thanks... I tought that, because the right are lower, and the nose plate is other.

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    Ansaldo AS-37, armoured personel carrier:



    Designed as a APC truck this all drive entered in service in 1941. It wa sdesinged as a recce and transport vehicle for a crew of 8.

    The lenght was 5 meters, width 1,9 meters and it had a height of 1,8 meters. Armor was comprised by a 8,5mm plate in every surface with a open back. In the later production vehicles an extra shield of 8mm plate was added in the rear to allow a machinne gunner to shot his weapon from a protected position.


    The total weight was 5,7 tons, a 6 cilinders diesel engine with 75 hp was used allowing a top speed of 75 km/h in good terrain. The diesel fuel and a large capacity tank combined to gave an autonomy of 550km.



    Some 500 AS 37 were delivered to the italian army, those were mostly used in antipartisan and security task in the Balkans and Greece.

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    My experiences with Italian AFV's of that era show that they were either very good, or very bad, without a middleground. Even if the operational designes were good ones, the vehicles lacked sufficient armor to protect them from anything larger than basic rifle fire, and not so near misses by artillary. It also seems that a committee must have designed them, as some aspects were indeed well thought out, and others, not much considered. Like the ammo basic load, was very small,in some cases, and sometimes not onboard at all. (in the example of some Itlaian self propelled artillary.) Good automotive, but poor weaponry. Perhaps it was because they had only limited availability of some parts, and weapons, so had to "make do" with what was on hand at the time. - Raspenau -
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    You can add to the list that the lack of welded armor, only riveted one.

    They have some nice non armored vehicles but the desing of the tanks....

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    My Lahti would love to chew on one,,well, not the whole vehicle,, but some of the armor plate would make for an interesting experiment.
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    Do you have a 20 mm rifle TG ?

    Semovente 75/18


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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    Do you have a 20 mm rifle TG ?

    Semovente 75/18

    Hello my friend, yes, I do own an L-39 lahti AT rifle, I knew some fellows who oned one, and a Solothurn, and a Boys .55 rifle. they had mentioned seeing a lahti in an antique store, so I when exploring, and found it, sitting on the floor, under alot of dust. Luckily it was one of the few active rifles, and it being 1977, I got it for a right price, and did the transfer papers, and its been mine since, I have fired it a couple times, and it does quite a job on mild steel. Makes a fierce BOOM, and pushes you back about 100 mm.
    It would be fun to test it on some genuine armor plate to see what it will actually do.( he man in the photo is not me,but its the same version of the rifle.
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    Beatiful weapon, the italians used the swiss Solothurn 20mm in some of his vehicles.


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