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Thread: Kissinger Says Victory in Iraq Is Not Possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancer44 View Post
    The story is a bit more complicated.
    Poland at first sent just Special Forces - GROM and FORMOZA + one logistic support ship. They participated in invasion. Took port Um Quasar and some drilling platforms and secured one vital dam.
    When Baghdad was taken and Bush trumpeted victory, some Hague Convention was recalled and Polish government learned suddenly that "invading country" must take responsibility for the occupation ...
    Mate , i think Polish gov must had to foresee this situation. And i'm sure they foresee it , but they couldn't refuse the "Bush suggestion" the becouse of political reasons. But not only politic was the reason:
    The official BBC site wrote 04 jule of 2003 :
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/bus...00/3043822.stm
    According to the Polish Minister of Foreign Affairs Vlodimezh Chimoshevich, his country never hid the fact that it attained direct access to the petroleum deposits.
    Minister appeared before the group of the representatives of Polish firms, which signed transaction with the daughterly firm of company Halliburton, as one of leaders of which at one time there was the vice president of the USA **** Cheyni.
    The American company Kellogg, Brown and Root already won multimillion contract to the rebuilding work in Iraq. "we on hid never our tendency, to attain for the Polish petroleum companies of access to the sources of raw material", said Chimoshevich to Polish information agency PAP.
    Poland sends into its sector of Iraq 2300 soldier access to the petroleum deposits "our primary task", minister added.
    But i don't think the polish gov was such naive to consider the Iraq oil as easy aim in 2003. I think US just force the Poland using the financial and political pressure.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lancer44
    They were caught with their pants down and declared what they could afford.
    2,500 soldiers and international division command.
    They also sent a few Mi-24s, Mi-8, Sokol and Huzar helicopters.
    Since then, International Division shrunk and Polish contingent is currently 900 soldiers.

    But to Afghanistan another battalion is going soon, as part of NATO forces.
    They are also taking Mi-24s + new "Rosomak" AFVs.
    Obviously one cannot be in a military treaty such as NATO and just expect that other members will defend if need arise.
    So they had to agree to send fully fledged battalion not only some sappers and SF.

    I just cannot understand what NATO plans are????
    From various sources coming indications that there is no plan at all...
    I think the plan really exists. Afganistan need to US as part of geopolitical strategy of stragle for the Middle Asia and Kaspij resources. I can understant americans. Afganistan has the importaint role in the region.
    They are just going there.
    In Iraq at least they had interpreters and part of the forces were directed to help Iraqi civilians. Futile effort but at least some. Perhaps comparable with soviet "International Help" in 80's in Afghanistan.

    And now? No NATO plan for Afghanistan expedition..
    Something is going wrong.
    I think while is all OK. While the Afganistan marionette government gets the US money and americans let them to make a narcotics it's all right.
    As mabe you know today Afganistan produse the record quantity of heroin and cocain then in any ather period of its history. While americans close his eyes to the narco-traffic - they have the loyal Afganistan gov. Certainly exscessec are hapened sometimes like killing the peoples by the us patrols but nothing serious.
    I think even if US will leave the Iraq they never leave the Afganistan.
    (And just between us. If Soviet Union would ask Poland to send a company of troops to "help in Afghanistan" in 80's... Can you imagine the outcry????)
    Ha Ha
    Certainly i can imagine the outcry ...
    You know honestly speaking today from the side Poland not look like really independent state. It look more like the uncomplaining US "small friend". May be its subjectively and i'm wrong, but when Bush just drop a hint to the to the desirable presence of Poles in coalition - they immediately sended the battalion.

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    I have nothing to add to Chevan's opinion...
    He is right.

    Well, shit, he is Russian, but he is right...

    Sorry about that...

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    I would say while we and Israel should remain friends we should end our unconditional support for Israel and pull out of the Middle East. No more trouble that way. I'm an isolationist.

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    Kissinger is right, Iraq's a dump and we've f*cked it right up. Now it's a question of how many men will have to die before we pull out and let them slaughter each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
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    I think while is all OK. While the Afganistan marionette government gets the US money and americans let them to make a narcotics it's all right.
    As mabe you know today Afganistan produse the record quantity of heroin and cocain then in any ather period of its history. While americans close his eyes to the narco-traffic - they have the loyal Afganistan gov. Certainly exscessec are hapened sometimes like killing the peoples by the us patrols but nothing serious.
    I think even if US will leave the Iraq they never leave the Afganistan.

    ...
    Cheers.

    A good post. But I do take exception a bit to the "Americans letting" the Taliban fund their war via drugs, which is what this amounts too. The simple fact is that the US never subjugated the traditional 'warlordism' present in Afghanistan, which has allowed the Taliban to make a significant comback with the help of funding from the drug trade (and the Pakistani intelligence ), a situation much like the one that exists in Colombia, and a reason why many Americans opposed the invasion of Iraq because it has prevented NATO from securing the initial victory in Afghanistan..

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