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    Default Re: Infantry Experiments: Who makes the best soldiers?

    Conscripts or regulars?...well, I would imagine that in a prolonged war/campaign such as ww2 it made little difference in the end. A conscript who might have been sent to, say, Burma in 1942 would more than likely have remained there until the end of hostilities. As the campaign progressed, they were relieved from the front on a rotational basis and trained intensively for future operations. As the war continued even the average soldier/conscript became more effective on account of his trainig and experience.

    A very good account is 'The Little Men - a Platoon's Epic Fight in the Burma Campaign' by Ken Cooper.which gives an account of a platoon's progress through the campaign, written by the platoon commander - very gritty reading and compares more than favourably with anything Ambrose produced - they don't come better than this.


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    i think volunteers make the best soldiers. they don't have to fight for anyone but themselves and there squad mates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colonel hogan View Post
    i think volunteers make the best soldiers. they don't have to fight for anyone but themselves and there squad mates.
    Irrespective of this solemn comment...what exactly would conscripts fight for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by flamethrowerguy View Post
    Irrespective of this solemn comment...what exactly would conscripts fight for?
    Clearly not themselves on colonel hogan's incisive view, so I guess they'd just be in it for the money.
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    they'd be in it for the fun

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    Default Officers don't get battle fatigue??!!!!! Really?!

    Here's a quote from a book I picked up second-hand, highly recommended by the way*. "A Child at Arms" by Patrick Davis - who was a war time KCO in the Gurkhas in Burma.

    "That obscure little fight at Singu, .......... . ......... . ... was the last time I went confidently into battle, the last occasion I was in full command of my fears. ....... . .............. .

    Yet so far my encounters with the Japanese had been remarkably unbloody. I had not fired a shot in anger, though some had been fired at me. ....... Many of our men had been through two campaigns against the Japanese, each more severe than this, and were still serviceable.

    Nevertheless, whatever it is that keeps us going willingly and ardently into battle had for me run out. Will-power and pride bore me along after a fashion. Maybe no one noticed the difference. But from now on I never volunteered. I shrank inwardly at the news of fresh assignments. I most wanted to be where the Japanese were not."




    I'd suggest that _if_ officers don't show it as easily or as quickly, it is mostly that the constraints on giving way are greater, for senior NCO's and WO's too. Also it is possible for officers to cope in ways an infantry private can not.

    For some it can happen in one moment, terrible just for them, for others it takes years.

    But IME&O it can get anyone. Highly random and strange, stalwart people can be undone by things that don't affect comrades in action with them. And nervous nelly's come through their service without cracking.

    It is often not until much later, when it will surface, and in MOST such soldiers IME&O. Very few front-line soldiers are free of the psychoses of battle.

    I have a friend who works with our Vietnam veterans, I knew that most of them are a mess, which he has strongly confirmed. We were both trained in the same militia/part-time unit . For officer / senior NCO training, straight from school. He a decade before me, and was commissioned, I went the other route.

    Heaps of civilians who drive themselves too hard, can crack.

    *Davis' book is at least as valuable as John Master's biographic trilogy - the middle one "The Road past Mandalay -, or George MacDonald Fraser's book (Flashman series?), when Fraser he was a private soldier in a British infantry battalion in the 14th Army.
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    Default Re: Infantry Experiments: Who makes the best soldiers?

    The criminals in jail WWII fought in wars for a chance to escape jail term.
    The criminals had a choice,stay in jail or fight,if survived the war,the criminals walk free.
    The Dirty Dozen (US films) is a great example for this.

    well educated men are put into better war jobs,they are happier,willing to fight for there country meaning they have more of a heart to fight much harder than the criminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorkshiress View Post
    The criminals in jail WWII fought in wars for a chance to escape jail term.
    The criminals had a choice,stay in jail or fight,if survived the war,the criminals walk free.
    The Dirty Dozen (US films) is a great example for this.

    well educated men are put into better war jobs,they are happier,willing to fight for there country meaning they have more of a heart to fight much harder than the criminals.
    Yup. Hollywood movies are generally underestimated as a historical source.
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    Default Re: Infantry Experiments: Who makes the best soldiers?

    I really don't know what is being asked. IMHO, the best soldier is the best human being. Someone who is smart, brave, strong, tireless and forthright would make an excellent soldier able to understand and carry out orders. From my experience such stock can come from anywhere: universities, factories, farms, reservations and, yes, even prisons. All war is is Darwinism kicked into high gear and only the best and luckiest survive.
    Your question is that of eugenics.

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