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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancer44 View Post
    Mate, please tell me how many Austeyrs are in use with Australian SAS?
    None, nada, zero...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuts View Post
    Don't you think it might be the other way around ?
    ie "because it is crap I don't like it."
    No, I dont.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancer44
    Mate, please tell me how many Austeyrs are in use with Australian SAS?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dani View Post
    None, nada, zero...
    It would obviously be a breach of Sy to publish an armoury tally even if I was in a position to do so, but I can confirm with 100% accuracy that 1SASR do have and do use F88 Austeyrs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuts
    Don't you think it might be the other way around ?
    ie "because it is crap I don't like it."
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    No, I dont.
    That's interesting, why do you believe that ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuts View Post
    It would obviously be a breach of Sy to publish an armoury tally even if I was in a position to do so, but I can confirm with 100% accuracy that 1SASR do have and do use F88 Austeyrs.
    Correct, it's their job to know and use any weapon. On the same basis DELTA and SEAL have soviet AKMS 74. Do they use them in actions? I doubt.

    I know for sure that Steyrs were on trials with Polish GROM - rejected. Yes, they still have them and they are part of training armoury - but never in action.

    Generally SAS operators have a free choice of firearms like almost every serious special forces in the world. The most popular is M4 or M4 with M203.
    I don't think F88 can match M4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancer44 View Post
    Correct, it's their job to know and use any weapon. On the same basis DELTA and SEAL have soviet AKMS 74. Do they use them in actions? I doubt.

    I know for sure that Steyrs were on trials with Polish GROM - rejected. Yes, they still have them and they are part of training armoury - but never in action.

    Generally SAS operators have a free choice of firearms like almost every serious special forces in the world. The most popular is M4 or M4 with M203.
    I don't think F88 can match M4.

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    The F88 is not held for familiarity nor FWT, 1SASR oprs will be very familiar with the Austeyr as they will have carried it throughout their preceeding career.

    There are a number of sound tac scenarios for their use and they were indeed carried in PNG. However I do agree with Lancer in that the M4 is a better wpn, and it is in general that carried by oprs in the Afghan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuts View Post
    However I do agree with Lancer in that the M4 is a better wpn, and it is in general that carried by oprs in the Afghan.
    And not only in Afghanistan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuts View Post
    That's interesting, why do you believe that ?
    Because the scorny type of writing of M.O.S

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    I hope this is stating the obvious, but I will only form a strong opinion about something which I have personal experience of. I like to think that I'm in a position to assess various rifles in a fairly objective manner, since I have a wide range of experience.

    If I say that something is crap, is not because I saw a picture, played call of duty, and subsequently formed a worthless opinion based on personal prejudices. It's because I had the damn thing in my hands, gave it a good going over, and formed an opinion based on a comparison with many other things I have had in my hands.

    If I have only handled something and not fired it, I will only make strong comments about the elements of it you can assess without actually firing. In the case of the AUG, I have actually fired it -- which certainly didn't improve my opinion of it in the slightest.

    What most of you on here don't realise is that there is a vast amount of absolute crap on issue in various armies, often adopted for political reasons and/or the prejudices of the selection board.

    One that could be an interesting case in point for this is the new Israeli rifle,the Tavor, which is also a bullpup. The fact that they are foisting it on new recruits who have no previous experience of other rifles, and not issuing it first to front-line units (standard practice practically everywhere, and for good reason) leads me to deduce that it might not be any good, especially given the fact that it is a bullpup and that most people with experience of conventional rifles just do not like bullpups (also for good reason). However, since I have no personal experience of it I will not form a firm or strong opinion. The explanation of training time and training costs to convert from one weapon system to the other sounds like a convenient copout.
    1884 electric cartridge. Look similar to anything?

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    Oh, here's another one:

    The Galil looks very good on paper, and I was predisposed to like it, but I didn't -- it was extremely disappointing.

    The nagant rifles looked awful on paper, but I'm rather fond of them and I don't think they're as bad as all that.
    1884 electric cartridge. Look similar to anything?

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    Red face

    Marvelous..you see ?, is always better to explain in this way rather than simply to say "is crap, is crap ".

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    All right. Could we go back on topic, please?
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    What machine guns were used on the Pattons and Centurions?

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    M46 Patton:
    .50cal M2HB AA
    .30-06 M1919A4 Coaxial
    .30-06 M1919A4 Ball Mount

    M47 Patton:
    .50cal M2HB AA
    .30-06 M1919A4E1 Coaxial
    .30-06 M1919A4E1 Ball Mount

    M48/A1 Patton:
    .50cal M2HB AA
    .30-06 M1919A4E1 Coaxial

    M48A2/A3 Patton:
    .50cal M2HB AA
    .30-06 M73 Coaxial

    M48A5 Patton:
    2x 7.62 x 51 mm M60D AA
    7.62 x 51 mm M219 or M240 Coaxial

    M60 Patton:
    .50cal M85 AA
    7.62 x 51 mm M73 Coaxial

    M60A1 Patton:
    .50cal M85 AA
    7.62 x 51 mm M73 or M240 Coaxial

    M60A2 Patton:
    .50cal M85 AA
    7.62 x 51 mm M73/A1 or M219 Coaxial

    M60A3 Patton:
    .50cal M85 AA
    7.62 x 51 mm M73 or M219 Coaxial

    Centurion Some form of .30-06 Browning, or L7 variant depending on the model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiddenrug View Post
    What machine guns were used on the Pattons and Centurions?
    The prototype Cent had the Polsten cannon of course. Early Brit Centurions had Besas. Later export Cents had Brownings.

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