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    Quote Originally Posted by herman2 View Post
    All of these casualties could have been prevented if we only used the H-bomb to neutralize the North. So many lives lost and nothing to show for it. The whole travesty of the Korean war will remain forever cause we were to wimpish to use te H-bomb on the Commies.
    Um, "we?" Aren't you Canadian? And secondly, had "we" used the bomb in Korea, the Soviets might well have decided that we've gone insane and that they were next and retaliated. Firstly with a bomb in the South. Then, who knows where it goes from there...

    If one is to be so cavalier about destroying hundreds of thousands of civilian lives, the you'd best be prepared to lose those of your relatives....

    Gen. MacArthur's complete ignoring of the obvious signs of the Chinese PLA "Volunteers" entering the War was a major failure, and signaled an ignominious end to his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herman2 View Post
    but who knows what would of happen if it came to that....

    Quite possibly as set out in Nick's third sentence in the post before yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by herman2 View Post
    All of these casualties could have been prevented if we only used the H-bomb to neutralize the North. So many lives lost and nothing to show for it. The whole travesty of the Korean war will remain forever cause we were to wimpish to use te H-bomb on the Commies.
    Unfortunately, no they could not have been prevented.

    First, the terrain was not conducive to an A or H-bomb. Perhaps the only place it could have been dropped, would have been on the valley of the Yalu River. If so, it would have contaminated with radiation for months, the land and water. With the training we got in the army about what the radiation alone would do, that alone was a reason not to drop it there. Compared to today, the A-Bomb then, was a _very_ dirty bomb.

    Secondly, _no_target_ other than that area. There are no major cities the size of those in japan, lots of very small cities, towns, hamlets, etc... Even an A-bomb would have been a waste. Would have had to drop several, to get the same effect in Japan. N.Korea is split with lots of mountains, you drop a bomb in one of those valley's even on the largest city, the force of the bomb goes UP not out, as in Japan. Reducing the effect dramatically. It would not stop NK and China from going around the contaminated area.

    Third, if we had dropped in the Yalu river valley, the other side of the River is China. Officially we were not at war with China. Supposedly the Chinese troops were "volunteers." The UN would not have, approved it, as we had so many UN countries involved, it would have been a major disaster. Would have lost support of probably all the countries.

    Could have been the beginning of WWIII.

    MacArthur, should have kept his big mouth shut, and obeyed orders. If one of us in the Far East had disobeyed a direct order like he did, we would have spent the next 20 years in Leavenworth Prison. Truman had given him a direct order at a conference, just prior to him talking about dropping it, NOT to reveal anything which had been discussed. It was all labeled "Top Secret."

    He knew Korea would not be a good target, if he did not, he was stupid, and I'll never believe that. He just wanted all the publicity, and made a grave mistake, when he did not believe Truman would can him. Of all the things Truman did in the Korean War, that is the one of the best decisions he made. The guys in the 5th talked about it, and the majority felt the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    Real file?

    He wasn't a clerk.

    Nor are you, judging by your typo.
    No, must be a Freudian slip or something as I have sort of ended up as one!

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    So we have all heard about POWS being held after the war in vietnam but were there any American POW's after the Korean war being held in what is now called North Korea? I never heard of it and Chuck Norris never starred in any movies in Korea!
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    Quote Originally Posted by herman2 View Post
    So we have all heard about POWS being held after the war in vietnam but were there any American POW's after the Korean war being held in what is now called North Korea? I never heard of it and Chuck Norris never starred in any movies in Korea!
    I would say ironically that the rumors of US personnel held after the Korean War are probably far more likely to be true than the Chuck Norris stories about Vietnam. I think there are some reliable accounts of US Air Force pilots, most likely flyers of F-86 Sabres, that were transferred to China, then the Soviet Union and never heard from again...

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    I'm certainly aware of accounts of a small number of US personnell who according to the North Koreans had "elected" not to return to the US. Since the US was doing the same thing with a very large number of North Korean personnell, it was decided not to press the matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdf27 View Post
    I'm certainly aware of accounts of a small number of US personnell who according to the North Koreans had "elected" not to return to the US. Since the US was doing the same thing with a very large number of North Korean personnell, it was decided not to press the matter.
    There were about US 30 or so defectors, one of whom returned to the United States not long ago and faced desertion charges fifty some years after the fact. Most were idealistic communists or resented the US-UN War in Korea. However, there are persistent rumors, supported by testimony, that the Soviets were desperate for information on the Sabres, and especially for anything connected to Strategic Air Command. So it's believed that some pilots that were claimed dead may have been sent to the Soviet Union for interrogation. It's said that some ended their lives either in the Gulag system, or they were killed outright once they outlived their usefulness...

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    Trying to shed some light on my grandfathers involvement in the Korean war. supposably he was injured and they flew him back state side. but he would never talk about it. i have his dog tags. but i really haven't been able to find anything about him

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    Quote Originally Posted by ckingsley17 View Post
    Trying to shed some light on my grandfathers involvement in the Korean war. supposably he was injured and they flew him back state side. but he would never talk about it. i have his dog tags. but i really haven't been able to find anything about him
    I'm really not sure what we can do for you. Perhaps you could see if you could get his 201-File and some inquiries to the DOD. See if you can track down any friends. Korea was a strange war fraught with both highs and lows and I think it was probably as unpopular as the later Vietnam one. There is potential that your grandfather was caught in the ignominious defeats after victory was in near grasp after the Chinese entered the war en mass. Many did things they weren't necessarily proud of or they witnessed wholesale obliteration of small U.S. units that was uncommon even in WWII. I recommend watching the following PBS series:

    http://www.pbs.org/program/unforgettable/

    Unforgettable: The Korean War also goes beyond the battle stories to recount the aftermath of the war. When the peace talks finally ended and the fighting stopped, it was a generally thankless nation that greeted the returning troops. All of the veterans' effort and sacrifice went largely unacknowledged by their fellow citizens. Though fought by an international force assembled by the United Nations, it was as if the war didn't exist outside of Korea. As veteran Spencer Titley from the United States Army recalls, "I know no great novel written about it. And there is no poetry written. No songs. Nothing on the culture side marks the passage of Korea. It was basically over and done with and forgotten."

    "They can call it whatever they want. I think it was a war and that's it. A lot of guys were dying or getting wounded and you can call it "the Forgotten War" or "the conflict," but it was a war. That's it." — Eddie Rios, United States Marine Corps
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