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Thread: Hungarian Scout Car

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    Default Hungarian Scout Car

    The story of this vehicle is quite fascinating.
    It looks interesting and almost become British...







    In 1933, a Hungarian engineer, Miklos Straussler, was living in England. He came to an agreement with the Weiss Manfred Factory of Csepel, in Budapest, about producing prototypes of his special vehicles. One of them was an off-road armoured car, designed for the British Army. This was the AC I experimental vehicle, which was created in 1934.
    On the basis of the experiences of trials and fabrication a new enhanced version was designed and designated as the AC II. In this version a second driving position was created in the rear which was a must in scout cars. The modern construction, designed for military purposes, gained the Hungarian high command's approval.
    Trials with the AC II proved that the construction would satisfy the demands put on it by the Hungarian Army for armoured cars. The vehicle's turret was built with the guidance of the Hungarian Institute of Military Technology. The armoured car was made of 9mm armor plate with rivets. The form of the body was more modern and more successful than the English version. The vehicle was equiped with a 20mm heavy gun and an 8mm machine-gun. Both driving stations were covered by opening armored plates.
    In 1939, after the successful tests, the vehicle was supplied to the Hungarian Army under the name 39M Csaba armoured scout car.
    Meanwhile, 61 of them were ordered for reconnaisance units. Its engine was a 90 hp Ford engine, built in Koln, Germany. In 1940, another 40 cars were ordered. Twenty of them were straight armoured cars for combat and 12 served as command cars with radio equipment installed. The production of the next series of these cars was delayed until 1944 because of the greater importance of the Hungarian tank program. No records show that any more were ever produced.

    Do you have any info about Csaba performance in battles on the Eastern front?

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    Default Re: Hungarian Scout Car

    Quote Originally Posted by Lancer44
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    On the basis of the experiences of trials and fabrication a new enhanced version was designed and designated as the AC II. In this version a second driving position was created in the rear which was a must in scout cars. The modern construction, designed for military purposes, gained the Hungarian high command's approval.

    ...
    I've seen an Eyetie light tank similarly equipped but can't recall the name of it right now.

    Apart from the obvious crass response, what reasons were given for providing the two dvr psns in the armoured car and the tank ? Not purely mechanical grounds ?
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    I dont know about the Hungarians so much but the Germans certainly believed in providing driving positions in the rear.

    The Puma



    Which may have been the best ac of ww2 had 6 forward and 6 reverse gears which enabled it to move to the rear as fast as it could to the front. The Germans thought that this gave it a great advantage in the recce role. Originally designed for N Africa only about 100 were produced and were used mostly in Recce units in both the Eastern and Western front. However it was thought that the main armament the 50mm KwK39/1 encouraged the crews to engage enemy forces rather than concentrate on carrying out pure Recce.

    http://www.afvnews.ca/camouflage/puma.html

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    Gallery on 39 Csaba armoured scout car:
    http://www.amicisanmartino.it/foto%2..._Csaba-pg1.htm
    (to view all the pages you should hit "avanti" for next page)

    Specifications:
    Crew 3
    Weight 5950kg
    Armor 9mm
    Length 4.52m
    Width 2.1m
    Height 2.27m
    Ground Clearance 33.3cm
    Track 1.7m
    Weapons 8mm MG or 20mm Cannon
    Engine German Ford, 8cyl, 90hp, 3560cc
    Transmission 4 x 4, 5 forward, 5 reverse
    Performance 65 km/hr
    Range 150 km
    Gradient 30 degrees
    Vertical Obstacle .5m
    Fording Depth 1 meter
    Armament 20mm 36m cannon, 34/37A M 8mm MG.
    Ammunition 200 rounds 20mm; 3,000 rounds 8mm
    Fuel 135 liters
    Radio R-4



    More on SdKfz 234/2 Puma:
    http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/.../sdKfz234.html
    http://www.ww2modelmaker.com/article...34-PumaEng.htm
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