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View Poll Results: Wich is your favorite ?

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  • Ki-45 Dragon slayer.

    7 16.28%
  • Ki-61 hien

    15 34.88%
  • Ki-43

    3 6.98%
  • Ki-27

    0 0%
  • Ki-84

    18 41.86%
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    Howdy all,

    Just happened on the site searching for info on WW II Japanese aircraft. I recently returned from Papua New Guinea and while there, was guided to a little know crash site of a Japanese fighter plane. I would like to identify it if possible from my frequently faulty memory. Anyone care to help?? Give a shout if so, and I will provide what info I have. Regards to all.

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    Default Re: Imperial Japanese Army - Fighter Aircraft

    Ki 61 as the Ki 100 III B tho.

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    KI-100. Had alot better engine. But still, like 'em all, they were firetraps.

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    Main reason for continued production was that the Ki43 was relatively simple to manufacture.
    It was obsolescent, but could be made in reasonably large numbers, at reasonable pace of manufacture.
    Plainly, that over-ruled the disadvantages of weak armament.

    As a matter of preference, for the poll, I'm evenly divided between the Ki100-II and the Ki84-II.

    Regards, Uyraell.
    Last edited by Uyraell; 01-18-2010 at 04:01 AM.

    "Honi-Soit Qui Mal'Y Pense." :
    "Ill unto he who ill of it thinks."
    Edward III, Rex Britania, AD1348.

    "Wenn Schon, denn schon."
    "Be It Done, Best be It Be Done Well."
    Known German adage.

    "Until you have looked into a veteran's eyes and actually seen it,
    you'll never fully understand."
    ^Uyraell^

    "Aligaes : Amore vel Ira." :
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    Quote Originally Posted by JP Vieira View Post
    I really find the Ki-84 a very interesting aircraft.
    Had the war lasted longer some very powerful aircraft could have emerged...
    True, but by then we would have been well into the first generation of jet fighters.

    Deaf
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    Sorry to be superficial, but I had to go "Dragon Slayer" because that is the coolest name I've ever heard for a fighter, and it sounds like you mean business!!
    Now...I'll read through the posts and see which of those actually gave me the best chance of not being blown to pieces!

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    I have to go with the Frank even though the Ki 100 beats it according to the Akeno tests due to climbing turn performance in the air (not on paper). The speed advantage changes hands from level flight to dive due to stability of the Ki 100:
    Frank max 392 mph, terminal dive 497 mph vs Tony 100 max 366 mph, dive 528 mph!
    What was the P-51 dive redline, 495 for the D and 505 for the H (I know it could do much faster if it had to)?

    I know the Tony covers both the Ki 61 and 100.
    The Ki 61-I had a great start but ended up at or near the bottom of the win-loss ratio for the Japanese fighters. The Ki 100 was about even, like the N1K2-J (the 2 best).
    Then comes the J2M3 at 1-3 ratio.
    The Ki 84 is about a 1-6 ratio. That's 1 kill for 6 Franks lost, but still way above average.
    Amazingly, the Ki 43 claims over half the kills by all Japanese fighters!
    I wonder how well that one stands up to postwar verification.
    The A6M Zero was average at 13-1. Still about twice as good as the Tony.
    (I'm writing this from memory so I say 'about')

    The reason I say the Frank out of the choices given, is it's resemblance to the Ki 43.
    When McGuire went down the difference between the Ki 43 and Ki 84 was not appreciated by US pilots yet. They thought they were still fighting the same Oscar.
    It was really a second Nakajima, a Frank in the last part of the combat. A cannon shell from the Ki 84 was found in the P-38L wreckage. The Oscar didn't carry that caliber then. Confusion like this works in favor of the Frank.

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    For me this remains the KI84 Hayabusa, as are arms and performance made ​​him the equal of the best Allied fighters, only its production was low. For story, Americans regained a KI84 in perfect condition and sent aus United States for testing, to their great surprise the plane with an essence of quality and a very good oil displayed a higher power engine 400CV to that of devices used by the Japanese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredl109 View Post
    For me this remains the KI84 Hayabusa, as are arms and performance made ​​him the equal of the best Allied fighters, only its production was low. For story, Americans regained a KI84 in perfect condition and sent aus United States for testing, to their great surprise the plane with an essence of quality and a very good oil displayed a higher power engine 400CV to that of devices used by the Japanese.
    Friendly Fred
    I didn't mean to confuse you too. I believe you meant the Hayate, not Hayabusa.
    Still, you know more languages than I do. Your English is better than my French.
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    Yes my dear Ron, sorry for this mistake, and excuse but my english is wrong and generaly I translate by Google.
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    It's most curious to me that the Ki 27 is listed as a choice for votes but the Ki 44 is not. Why?
    The Nate was whipped by Soviet I-16s. The A5M Claude did better for the Imperial Navy in that incident.
    The Tojo on the other hand, was a good match against the US P-38.
    Speaking of the A5M, where is the Jack and George in this site? No Imperial Navy fighter section (aside from a fleeting mention in the Zero article)?
    Do you know where they can be found here?
    Last edited by Ron; 07-26-2011 at 08:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uyraell View Post
    Main reason for continued production was that the Ki43 was relatively simple to manufacture.
    It was obsolescent, but could be made in reasonably large numbers, at reasonable pace of manufacture.
    Plainly, that over-ruled the disadvantages of weak armament.

    As a matter of preference, for the poll, I'm evenly divided between the Ki100-II and the Ki84-II.

    Regards, Uyraell.
    If it took 25,000 man-hours to produce a Ki 43 Hayabusa, I'm not sure I agree with that part of your post. After studying the sample Fw 190A-5 they had in Japan, Nakajima got the production of the Ki 84 Hayate down to what, 15,000?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uyraell View Post
    Main reason for continued production was that the Ki43 was relatively simple to manufacture.
    It was obsolescent, but could be made in reasonably large numbers, at reasonable pace of manufacture.
    Plainly, that over-ruled the disadvantages of weak armament.

    As a matter of preference, for the poll, I'm evenly divided between the Ki100-II and the Ki84-II.

    Regards, Uyraell.
    If it took 25,000 man-hours to produce a Ki 43 Hayabusa, I'm not sure I agree with that part of your post. After studying the sample Fw 190A-5 they had in Japan, Nakajima got the production of the Ki 84 Hayate down to what, 15,000 hours each?!

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    I'm all for the Ki 44 in place or in addition to the Ki 27. I think the Shoki was a reliable fighter compared to those that followed it. Am I right? I know the Ki 44-III was dropped in favor of the promising Ki 84 but since the new fighter proved unreliable, maybe Nakajima should have hedged a bit longer with the Shoki. Or at least put the tried and true 1500 hp engine of the Ki 44 into the Ki 84 till the new 2,000 hp engine matured (ala the Soviet Yak-9U). The first Yak-9U production run was a success even though the more powerful unreliable engine wasn't ready for service till later so they were powered by the reliable current engine and still had improved performance compared to say, the Yak-3 (420 mph vs 408)!

    Does someone know how the P-38 compared to the Dragon Slayer?

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    Interesting the various planes that swapped around between liquid-cooled inline & aircooled radial mills, & the FW 190 went the opposite way [for the same reasons!] as the Ki 61.
    Naturally the higher powered engines give better flight performance, but most do look sleeker with the inline mills, even the B17 fitted with Allisons.

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