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Thread: Red Orchestra has been released, the first..................

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    Default Re: Red Orchestra has been released, the first..................

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanz Lutz View Post
    Topic full of insults where is a real mod.
    You mean "real" like your location and the guy in your sig?
    "I just ran out of ammo. I will ram this one. Good bye, we'll meet in Valhalla." - Major Heinrich Ehrler, April 4, 1945

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    Default Re: Red Orchestra has been released, the first..................

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanz Lutz View Post
    Topic full of insults
    This thread is not full of insults.

    The only insults are the mild one by NotaBolshevik which has been dealt with by a moderator by an informal warning, which was the appropriate moderator action; the extreme one by stevey which has been dealt with by a moderator by awarding an infraction point, which was the appropriate moderator action; and your unwarranted and baseless imputation that there is not 'a real mod' amongst the current moderators, which I am now going to deal with, by appropriate moderator action.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanz Lutz View Post
    ... where is a real mod.
    I note that in your profile you have this visitor message.

    Please explain to me Second Lieutenant Hanz Lutz,

    You are using my grandfather's picture as an Avatar in:
    http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3152
    You do not have the right to use him as an Avatar, you ask who am I? I'm his grandson you was name after him, his full name and rank is: Major Von Josef Jaeger. I have the original pictures of him and his men, even a picture Furher who awarded him an Iron Cross for his bravery and courage. Please delete his picture as an Avatar, only the museums have my permission to display his photos. I hope you can respect my wishes, I thank you for your time

    Sincerely,
    Retired US Army 82nd Division Sgt. Von Josef Mata
    So, as I am a real moderator and you are not the real Second Lieutenant Hans Lutz, I require you to explain to me why you should be permitted to retain your avatar.

    Consider this as an informal warning from a real moderator, who is most unimpressed with your gratuitous and utterly wrong criticism of all the moderators on this board: Unless you have proper grounds for criticising moderators, don't.

    Your insult to all current moderators immediately after the caution from another moderator, Nickdfresh, demonstrates a flagrant disregard and contempt for them. So here is another informal warning from a real moderator: Do not disregard moderator's cautions, warnings and advice.

    And here is yet another informal warning from a real moderator: Don't make absurd assertions such as 'topic full of insults' when patently it is not, whether as a basis for unfounded criticisms of moderators or of any other members.

    And here is some advice of a general nature: People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

    And here is some more advice of a general nature: When you have stuffed up and don't have a leg to stand on, it is best to apologise and make amends rather than dig the hole deeper.

    Now tell me why you should be allowed to retain your avatar, and do it in light of the informal warnings and general advice I have given you or you will find that not only am I a real mod but that I can be a decidedly unpleasant and harsh one when confronted with a member conducting himself as you have done.
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    Default Re: Red Orchestra has been released, the first..................

    Quote Originally Posted by stevey14/88 View Post
    WTf is your problem, i say i dont like the game so you start with this sh!t. Go f@ck yourself you russian b@astard
    Im not Russian. I just made that my username, dont get mad cause ur side got anally raped.

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    Default Re: Red Orchestra has been released, the first..................

    Quote Originally Posted by NotaBolshevik View Post
    Im not Russian. I just made that my username, dont get mad cause ur side got anally raped.

    PM sent, I suggest you read it as this won't happen again.

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    Default Re: Red Orchestra has been released, the first..................

    Quote Originally Posted by NotaBolshevik View Post
    Im not Russian. I just made that my username, dont get mad cause ur side got anally raped.
    You chose to ignore my informal warning about provocative posts.

    You need to grasp that when a moderator gives you an informal warning you are being given the chance to correct your behaviour and to avoid steps being taken which could lead to you being banned from the forum.

    The only reason I am not imposing a sanction on you is because another moderator beat me to it, and has taken the first step on the road to you disappearing from the forum.

    Change your location from 'not USSR' to something less provocative - and don't come up with some smart arse alternative -, and do it quickly. There are Russian members on this forum who would not appreciate it and, in view of your stupidly anti-Soviet attitude, neither do I.



    NotaBolshevik and stevey:

    1. Do not pursue your squabble further.
    2. Stick to the topic and conduct yourselves properly.
    3. Neither of you will be allowed any tolerance if you misbehave again.
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    Default Re: Red Orchestra has been released, the first..................

    Look Rising Sun

    I am think on that guy stevey14/88 he insulting or i am blind?

    So mod's now have attacking position here i am been here and posting here before you i have this avatar 3 years i send Firefly and Dani on PM that link.
    Mod's dont attack why you feel insulted in words in my post,i am soory if you feel it like this.

    My english is s..t i know.

    That member who tell that he is a grandson of this gentleman i dont know it did you know for sure, i send PM on FIREFLY and ask what to do i dont broke ant rule.
    I hope you've had fun humiliating me, we will se what admin have to say on that.
    You just can send me a PM to solve this.
    Last edited by Hanz Lutz; 01-21-2009 at 01:34 PM.


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    Default Re: Red Orchestra has been released, the first..................

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanz Lutz View Post
    Look Rising Sun

    I am think on that guy stevey14/88 he insulting or i am blind?
    That is entirely irrelevant to your conduct, which is what I am dealing with.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hanz Lutz View Post
    So mod's now have attacking position here
    Don't be so bloody precious.

    You chose to insult the mods, which is completely unacceptable behaviour on every forum.

    I have responded to that.

    Like it or lump it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hanz Lutz View Post
    i am been here and posting here before you
    So what?

    Length of membership doesn't exempt you from the rules.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hanz Lutz View Post
    i have this avatar 3 years i send Firefly and Dani on PM that link. ...
    That member who tell that he is a grandson of this gentleman i dont know it did you know for sure, i send PM on FIREFLY and ask what to do i dont broke ant rule.
    I accept that explanation.

    It is a pity that you didn’t confine yourself to that aspect, which was the only response I sought from you.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hanz Lutz View Post
    Mod's dont attack why you feel insulted in words in my post,i am soory if you feel it like this.
    Your words were perfectly clear.

    After I had dealt with the insulting posts by two other members, and after another moderator had cautioned members against further misbehaviour, you posted

    “Topic full of insults where is a real mod.”

    The only possible interpretation of that is that you regarded my and the other moderator’s performance as inadequate, and by implication that of all other moderators on the board.

    I don’t feel personally insulted by your comment because I couldn’t give a stuff what you think about me, but as a matter of board discipline such comments cannot be permitted.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hanz Lutz View Post
    My english is s..t i know.
    No, your English is fine.

    Now you’re just trying to hide behind a claimed lack of English.

    It’s your attitude that is shit.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hanz Lutz View Post
    I hope you've had fun humiliating me,
    No, I haven’t, because I wasn’t trying to humiliate you. It demonstrates that you have a very thin skin if you think my comments are humiliating. If you’re humiliated by what I said, you’d implode if I really tried to humiliate you.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hanz Lutz View Post
    we will se what admin have to say on that.
    Congratulations on digging your hole deeper.

    I specifically cautioned you against digging the hole deeper because I could see that you were the sort of person who would do it.

    You realise that by taking it to admin you force admin to choose between, on one hand, supporting your supposed right to criticise mods for their perfectly correct standards of modding and, on the other, upholding the unquestionable power and right of mods, on this and every other forum, to deal with members who insult mods.

    It should be a no-brainer for you to work out which way admin has to go.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hanz Lutz View Post
    You just can send me a PM to solve this.
    I could, and I could reply by PM to your PM, but I won’t, because I think it’s important for other members to see how these things are handled rather than taking them behind closed doors when it gets awkward for one of the parties to the dispute. It educates members on what is unacceptable conduct, plus justice must not only be done but must be seen to be done, and all that.


    If you have any common sense you would not pursue this issue because it cannot improve your position. But as you’ve started digging the hole deeper, you are probably unable to stop until you hit rock. That could be a painful collision, so I’d urge you to drop the shovel now.
    Last edited by Rising Sun*; 01-21-2009 at 04:54 PM.
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    Default Re: Red Orchestra has been released, the first..................

    Ok can only one question:

    Is it by rules to post someone's PM on the forum,before it is not been by rules.
    Who are you to tell that my attitude is shit,some kid who have control in one forum and try to demonstrate tyrany.

    Well Heil Rising Sun Mod Supremastic.

    Yes you are bad mod now everyone will see trought your posts,just calm down drink water with little sugar,and look around you.


    And Hans Lutz was the real:

    http://www.military-art.com/mall/profiles.php?SigID=876
    Last edited by Hanz Lutz; 01-22-2009 at 02:54 AM.


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    Default Re: Red Orchestra has been released, the first..................

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanz Lutz View Post
    Ok can only one question:

    Is it by rules to post someone's PM on the forum,before it is not been by rules.
    I have no idea what this relates to and I'm not interested in finding out it as it is just another red herring which has nothng to do with your conduct.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hanz Lutz View Post
    Who are you to tell that my attitude is shit,some kid who have control in one forum and try to demonstrate tyrany.

    Well Heil Rising Sun Mod Supremastic.

    Yes you are bad mod now everyone will see trought your posts, just calm down drink water with little sugar,and look around you.
    My bold


    A pity you didn't follow your own advice.

    I've given you plenty of leeway in view of your long and unblemished membership, but as you're determined to keep insulting a mod after being informally warned several times not to, I am now giving you a formal warning to stop insulting mods.

    Ignore this warning and you'll get an infraction point or points.

    You should be grateful that I'm dealing with you and not a former moderator who would have banned you by now.

    Now, for Christ's sake, grow up and realise that you'll be the only loser if you keep this up. I don't want to impose sanctions on you, but if you continue on this course I will, which could lead to you being banned.

    Your future on this forum is in your hands, not mine.

    I suggest that you don't post for a few days and try to calm down in that time.

    Be aware that you have had all the leeway I am going to give you.
    Last edited by Rising Sun*; 01-22-2009 at 05:10 AM.
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    Default Re: Red Orchestra has been released, the first..................

    I am calm and i apologise for mu actions against moderator and other in this forum.
    This should not be happened .


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    Default Re: Red Orchestra has been released, the first..................

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanz Lutz View Post
    I am calm and i apologise for mu actions against moderator and other in this forum.
    This should not be happened .
    Thank you.

    I have not been entirely free of conflict with moderators myself in the past and I understand how these things happen.

    Your apology is appreciated and accepted. That is the end of the matter.

    I, and I am sure other members, look forward to your continued contributions to the forum as a valued member.
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    Default Re: Red Orchestra has been released, the first..................

    Quote Originally Posted by Hanz Lutz View Post
    Johannes "Hans" Lutz was real, right, although his mini-bio in your link is loaded with factual errors, just like your sig. His rank was Lieutenant when the war ended, he was Lieutanant Colonel ("Oberstleutnant") of the Bundeswehr when retired in 1976. He was never part of Parachute Forces.

    In 1944 he transferred to the 166th Panzer Division on the Western Front
    It was actually the 116th Panzer-Division. A 166th never existed. OK, let's call this one a typo.

    ...and was awarded the Knight's Cross for his actions during the Ardennes Offensive.
    Wrong, he was awarded the Knight's Cross on December 9, 1944. Exactly one week before the Battle of the Bulge was launched.

    Hanz Lutz is one of the last surviving Knight's Cross holders from this battle.
    This info is mouldy and needs an update. Lutz died on August 26, 2005.

    Anyway, as RS* mentioned we should hereby put this issue to a rest, along with the other latest causes of friction.
    Back to original topic.
    Last edited by flamethrowerguy; 01-22-2009 at 01:20 PM.
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    Ok tnx for info about Hans.

    I know that he never been part of parachute unit,i just like parachute infantry so i have that signature, no connections with my avatar.

    Just like soldiers in mu sig that parachute i think is not a german but i wanted signature and War Photographer here make me before 2-3 years.


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