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    To fully clear a minefield or even be able to declare an area Free From Ordanance of all types takes a very very long time.

    With no records of types or spacings not even of quantitys and whether any are booby trapped how fast would you work.

    While breaching a minefield at night we were supposed to clear a metre a minute with the prodders in actual practice it was more like 1 m every 5 mins and you still would be unable to find deep buried mines (never mind the rear twitching everytime you hit a stone or other hard object buried)

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    In all, 4,220 mines and 2,713,658 pieces of UXO have been removed from the islands.
    More that 2 million ?? was the Somme, Paeschendale or Verdun fought in Malvinas maybe ?

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    A "UXO" can be a bullet, or a piece of something else...

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    Quote Originally Posted by leccy View Post
    To fully clear a minefield or even be able to declare an area Free From Ordanance of all types takes a very very long time.

    With no records of types or spacings not even of quantitys and whether any are booby trapped how fast would you work.

    While breaching a minefield at night we were supposed to clear a metre a minute with the prodders in actual practice it was more like 1 m every 5 mins and you still would be unable to find deep buried mines (never mind the rear twitching everytime you hit a stone or other hard object buried)

    True. But often "safety" is used as an excuse to take it very easy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Ex-military UXO techs are very expensive, and notoriously slow...
    I don't blame them.

    So would I be, when there is none of the urgency which may accompany military operations.
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    A rational army would run away.
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    As I said there is a big difference between 'Clearing an area' and a combat style breach.

    To clear and area you have to be 100% sure there is no ordanance/mines of any kind at any depth.

    Many onlookers seem to be of the opinion that it can be done quicker 'When I offered them the kit they buggered off quite sharpish'
    One little mistake and you very very rarely get another chance

    While in Bosnia we had an area that was declared safe by another countries Engineers 'A week later on bloke missing half a foot another his family jewels' and that mine was on the surface not buried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    More that 2 million ?? was the Somme, Paeschendale or Verdun fought in Malvinas maybe ?
    The typical reply of someone who does not actually understand the nature of fighting and the terminology used.

    UXO - Unexploded Ordanance (Anything that could and or should go bang)

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    So..in my house there is about 1600 UXOs. .22, 9mm, 12 gauge and 16 gauge.

    Can I call the British army here ?

    Honestly I think "Unexploded ordinance" are big words for a 7.62mm cartrigde.

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    So..in my house there is about 1600 UXOs. .22, 9mm, 12 gauge and 16 gauge.

    Can I call the British army here ?

    Honestly I think "Unexploded ordinance" are big words for a 7.62mm cartrigde.
    Ah the limited knowledge which goes along way

    But as an aside this topic was about how long to remove the mines from the Falklands 'Not your living room' and since you got the number of mines wrong by a long shot and even contradicted yourself in posts on here with the quantitys it may be best to actulally talk about things you really do know about and listen to others who actually know about the subject instead of turning all talks on the Falkland Islands into 'They belong to us and you are all wrong pissing contests'

    Every bullet, mine, bomblet, bomb, arty shell, grenade etc has the potential to kill

    1 Do you have little kids running round picking up shiney interesting stuff in your house.

    2 Do you have domesticated animals freely wandering about your sitting room.

    Dont try to compare a battlefield with your comfortable house which is supervised with all ammunition 'Hopefully' secured away from inquisitive hands.

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    But as an aside this topic was about how long to remove the mines from the Falklands 'Not your living room' and since you got the number of mines wrong by a long shot and even contradicted yourself in posts on here
    The numbers I gave were not completely wrong, some 5,000 and some mines did were buried by Army engineers, the problem was I wasnt aware that the Marines also emplaced several mines.

    Not what was the quatity of that?

    Honestly I dont know, in Argentine sources I find between 10,000 to 15.000, in other forum ( militaryphotos.net) some guy said 25,000 mines, ( actually I was quickly expelled for not agreeing with that figure)

    Now...your figure of 4,220 mines seems more or less real, unfortunately with that denomination of UXOs putting in the same bag a Nato cartrigde and a 105 howitzer round did not help. It would be interesting to know the figures per type.

    with the quantitys it may be best to actulally talk about things you really do know about and listen to others who actually know about the subject instead of turning all talks on the Falkland Islands into 'They belong to us and you are all wrong pissing contests'
    Silly, really silly, I dont remember putting that phrase here and I dont because I didnt put it.
    I was shocked by your figure of 2,713,658 million of UXOs because I know for sure that the Armed Forces did not deployed that quantity of mines and/or artillery shells, not even combining all the stock of 60,81,105,120 and 155mm.

    But since the humble 7,62x51mm has been elevated to a new category ...well that explain a lot of things.

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    Panzerknacker

    I have never yet found any form of ordanance to be humble when it is incoming or when removing even a single round from kids who are playing with them.

    The longer they are left around then the more unstable and dangerous they generally get

    Alot of Argentinean munitions were incorrectly stored and some had become unstable even during the conflict never mind while sitting outside for over twenty years.

    You are trying to put a nice safe adult at home image onto stuff that has been left outside or buried for years. This thread was about clearing the mines and how long it would take and you questioned and declared disbelief in how long it would take or even what was out there.
    You tried to mock and joke about things you obviously have no concept of and definately no actual experience of 'unlike myself'
    I do not find anthing remotely amusing about ordanance being left around I have been and had to pick up the pieces afterwards of 'Humble bullets that cost kids their lives and or maimed them'

    So you got a rise from me and all your topics and posts have now gone down in my estimation since you seem to have a 'I am right no matter what attitude (Yes I have seen your post where you actually state that)'

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    Yawn,,,

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    Topic locked.
    PK, when talking about a subject you know nothing about I **STRONGLY** suggest you stop acting like a cretin and listen to people who actually know what they're talking about.
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