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View Poll Results: Who should the Falklands/Malvinas belong too?

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  • Argentina

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  • UK

    9 19.15%
  • They should be independent

    1 2.13%
  • They should be allowed to decide for themselves which 2 Nations they belong too

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    Default Re: Who should they belong to?

    Quote Originally Posted by reydelcastillo View Post
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    Thank you Sir , I am not enlighted , it may be that I'm getting old -I have already seen too many things in life and I am understanding a little better how things are -

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    Small Correction here : "It may be that I'm getting old "-

    Should say : 55 , and still with some music to play -

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    Quote Originally Posted by reydelcastillo View Post
    Small Correction here : "It may be that I'm getting old "-

    Should say : 55 , and still with some music to play -
    For far too many people getting older just strengthens bigotry rather than brings wisdom - as far too many of the other posts in this thread demonstrate.
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    Some years ago an old man told me :

    Some people mature after everything else has failed -

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    And its wrong , if were in the future to recover those islands by Diplomacy the first step is to win the islanders trust , we can not change their way of life by law - it will not work -

    Great Britain will not give us back the islands just because they are too far away from London , or because it's a headache to supply them - If we think that way we are wrong -

    We may get them back , when at one point in time the islanders get to trust us enough , when they know that they will be able to live a normal live under Argentine administration , when they feal that they are going to be protected by us - That will be the braking point in which we will have a chance to sit with British and Islanders to talk about the islands -

    Be sure that the old man that I saw on his land rover will sit at the table and will have the final say on all this -

    Reagrds Enrique
    Well evidently some kind of agreement is needed, the cultural and historical links between Argentina and England were realy strong, unfortunately the war poisoned the relationship for ever.

    II think is possible, considering the filth that world has become, with all the racial, religious and economical troubles pending over the western civilization war again between 2 great western countries like England and Argentina is crazy, and suicidal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    Well evidently some kind of agreement is needed, the cultural and historical links between Argentina and England were realy strong, unfortunately the war poisoned the relationship for ever.

    II think is possible, considering the filth that world has become, with all the racial, religious and economical troubles pending over the wesrtern civilization war again between 2 great western countries like England and Argentina is crazy, and suicidal.

    Agree Agree Agree

    in all with You Mr Panzerknacker

    Regards Enrique
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    If you ask an argentine person Who should they belong to? dont spect to be faced with long brainy historical analisis or tedious speeches to counter the "self determination" thing, he simply will answer "they should belong to Argentina", because that is the argentine sentiment, a sentiment imbedded in the argentine culture.
    Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    And being argentine myself I might ad that is the way it should be.
    Why?

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    Default Re: Who should they belong to?

    Why donīt you apply the same idea to Hong Kong?
    Maybe the chinese are more respectful of Human Rights than Argentina?

    Or the truth is that you make better business with China than with Argentina?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulqui View Post
    Why donīt you apply the same idea to Hong Kong?
    Maybe the chinese are more respectful of Human Rights than Argentina?

    Or the truth is that you make better business with China than with Argentina?
    Neither. In Hong Kong, the New Territories (which just happened to include virtually all the water supply for the city, plus a very significant fraction of the business, and are coloured green on the map below) were always on a 99 year lease to the UK from China. When this lease expired, they had to be handed back to China. The rump of Hong Kong (about 5% of the land area) could not support the population it had without the New Territories, and hence would be extraordinarily difficult to keep. The decision was taken to hand it back as a whole, which meant that a "One Country, Two Systems" deal could be negotiated - giving those living in Hong Kong many more rights and priviledges than those living in mainland China. Indeed, they are far better off in Human Rights terms than those living in Argentina under the Junta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulqui View Post
    Why donīt you apply the same idea to Hong Kong?
    Because Hong Kong was acquired by Britain under a lease, and returned to China when the lease ended.

    Argentina was never in the same or a similar position in relation to the Falklands.


    Quote Originally Posted by pulqui View Post
    Maybe the chinese are more respectful of Human Rights than Argentina?
    Maybe.

    But at the time of the Falklands War the Argentinians probably were at least as bad as the Chinese, and perhaps more so as I don't recall much commentary on Chinese throwing dissidents into the ocean out of aeroplanes. Or wiring them up to electrocution machines.

    Quote Originally Posted by pulqui View Post
    Or the truth is that you make better business with China than with Argentina?
    So far as Australia is concerned now, definitely.

    In the 1980s'. About the same.

    It may come as a great surprise to you, but Argentina does tend to lag a little behind China as the most desirable trade nation.
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    I think Donald Trump just bought them..

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    Default Re: Who should they belong to?

    I opt for self determination,. let the inhabitants choose their own fate

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    Default Re: Who should they belong to?

    The solution is a compromise that doesnt keep too happy to any of both parts involved, if the winner takes all it would never work.

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    The Island have been back in the news again since the oil explorations and certain South American countries stopping ships flying the Falklands flag from their ports, last I read the oil surveys weren't going well but even if they came back with nothing I doubt Argentina would loosen its claim.

    Self determination is all well and good for the Islanders but no matter what they decide it won't effect the non picked countries claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle View Post
    I do not doubt of the islander's nationality, they are british... but the archipelagos from the South Atlantic are Argentine. If they want to live on an argentine territory, they have that right as all free person. If they don't want to live on an argentine territory, they could go away to live to the British islands, or any place from the Commonwealth or wherever they want, but they must know that they are living on a real argentine territory.
    Help me out here please. I'm a little baffled. Did Argentina exist as a nation when the British took over the Falklands? If it did not, what are the Argentinians talking about when they say the islands are "theirs"? Really? How can a nation which did not exist claim something it never owned in the first place?. Change that to "very" baffled.
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    After re-reading all the posts in this thread, I have come away with the conclusion that the Argentinian position is not negotiable; nor is it rational in any logical framework I am aware of. If "facts" are not to be a part of the discussion, one has to wonder if "discussion" is a misnomer and unlikely to be fruitful. Ever. The Argentines are to logic and reason as two plus two are to five.

    One thing seems abundantly clear to me. Should the Falkland Islanders ever vote for independence from the UK, and be stripped of its defenses, Argentina would invade the next day. Unfortunately, UN guarantees would be worthless.
    Last edited by royal744; 08-31-2013 at 12:39 PM.

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