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    Thanks. I'm not sure which published accounts you are referring to but Op Paraquat gives a fairly accurate account although his timings are wrong - according to my log book written at the time..

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    Britains small wars is usually pretty accurate and that was my first port of call. As far as I recall it didn't include the details you described, I did look at the Channel 4 book as well but as I've found it contains numerous errors I don't trust it too much. I also looked at Sandy Woodward's book and a few accounts on the web.

    To be honest I've never come across an account written by the people involved, so I'd be very interested in an eye witness account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000ydstare View Post
    Thank god she didn't sink it.

    Apart from the tradgic loss of life, which would indeed be tradgic in hind sight, as the Argentine Navy never left port again after the Belgrano.

    But the Argentines would have probably gone berserk about war crimes or something.
    Since when did british government act according any ethic rule: they sank the ARA Belgrano outside the exclusion zone they announced themselves. Brits are shits!! So are their NATO allies, who helped them. And the chilean (Pinochet) government which gave intelligence, air bases for british reconnaisance Canberras, and by menacing our borders, prevented us to send to Malvinas our best troops equipped for winter warfare. Instead they had to be deployed on the Andean border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulqui View Post
    Since when did british government act according any ethic rule: they sank the ARA Belgrano outside the exclusion zone they announced themselves. Brits are shits!! So are their NATO allies, who helped them. And the chilean (Pinochet) government which gave intelligence, air bases for british reconnaisance Canberras, and by menacing our borders, prevented us to send to Malvinas our best troops equipped for winter warfare. Instead they had to be deployed on the Andean border.
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    prevented us to send to Malvinas our best troops equipped for winter warfare. Instead they had to be deployed on the Andean border.
    Morale of this story (and one the present UK government has not grasped)

    Do not go to war when you are not equipped or manned properly to do all the duties required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulqui View Post
    Since when did british government act according any ethic rule: they sank the ARA Belgrano outside the exclusion zone they announced themselves.
    Wrong.

    On the 23rd April, nine days before the Belgrano was sunk, the British delivered a statement to the Argentinians making it clear that military action was not limited to the exclusion zone.

    In announcing the establishment of a Maritime Exclusion Zone around the Falkland Islands, Her Majesty's Government made it clear that this measure was without prejudice to the right of the United Kingdom to take whatever additional measures may be needed in the exercise of its right of self-defence under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter. In this connection, Her Majesty's Government now wishes to make clear that any approach on the part of Argentine warships, including submarines, naval auxiliaries or military aircraft, which could amount to a threat to interfere with the mission of British Forces in the South Atlantic will encounter the appropriate response.
    http://www.raf.mod.uk/falklands/an1.html

    Argentina should have been fully aware that the Belgrano was at risk. If it wasn't, that was Argentina's fault and just another of the many errors it made in getting into a war it couldn't run properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pulqui View Post
    Since when did british government act according any ethic rule: they sank the ARA Belgrano outside the exclusion zone they announced themselves. Brits are shits!! So are their NATO allies, who helped them. And the chilean (Pinochet) government which gave intelligence, air bases for british reconnaisance Canberras, and by menacing our borders, prevented us to send to Malvinas our best troops equipped for winter warfare. Instead they had to be deployed on the Andean border.
    Don't make the mistake of posting this kind of "shit" again...

    If you need a scapegoat, look at the shitty regime which used this war as an attempted distraction for their incompetence...

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    And I'm not talking about Thatcher, either.

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    Any more about submarines?

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    Well tankgeezer what has been posted covers most everything the Argentine submarines did, other subamarine action in the conflict is mainly limited to HMS Conqueror and the sinking of USS Phoenix AKA "ARA General Belgrano" this is well documented elsewhere.
    Last edited by visitor; 03-31-2010 at 09:58 AM. Reason: I can't spell damnit

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    Hello there, long time no see!

    It was a sad episode of the war the unnecessary death olf Félix Artuso. The truth is that the crew DID sink the sub, they needed the pier, and add to it the battle nerves as all were rookies, a yong guard, the rifle in full auto, and there you have the 5 shots.

    I do not want to believe he was shot 5 times in other circunstances.

    Saludos!

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    "I knew a lad that went to sea and left the shore behind him, I knew him well, that lad was me.... but now I can not find him.." ( I think it is an old sailor´s song)

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