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Thread: The Atlantic Conveyor "Carrier"

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    Default The Atlantic Conveyor "Carrier"

    I remember in a previous thread I banged up alot of info reference the Atlantic Conveyor including lots of pictures of it being used as a Carrier.

    Is that thread still lurking or has it gone down the earth spike?

    If still around could it be seperated and posted or I'll just start again. :?
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    Best to start again unless its in the 2005 Archive it may have been sanitised!

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    No dramas, shouldn't take too long.
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    MV Atlantic Conveyor was used as a stores ship in the Falklands but also, and perhaps crucially, as a sort of auxillary aircraft carrier.


    A Royal Navy Harrier landing on the forward section of "Atlantic Conveyor"


    A view from the accommodation of "Atlantic Conveyor" after loading the aircraft at Ascension Island, April 1982. The Vessel in the background is the North Sea Ferry "Norland"

    photographs by Chief Petty Officer Bob Gellett. From http://www.btinternet.com/~philipbpa...lr%3D%26sa%3DN



    The stacked ISO containers provieded shelter from the wind.


    The burnt-out hulk of "Atlantic Conveyor" as a tug
    (believed to be "Irishman") prepares to take her in tow.










    The plastic bags are to protect the aircraft from salt erosion.

    Good read www.raf.mod.uk/ falklands/1sqn_2.html



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    Very very good pictures in here.

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    A bit more information,

    The Atlantic Conveyor was a British merchant navy ship that was requisitioned during the Falklands War and sunk by an Exocet missile. Owned by Cunard, the 14,950 tonne roll-on, roll-off container ship was built along with six other container ships each named Atlantic and flown under different national flags for different companies.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Atlantic_Conveyor


    Exocet missile



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    Very nice pics, I never see that, thank you.

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    SS Tiger wrote:
    The Atlantic Conveyor was a British merchant navy ship that was requisitioned
    The correct term is STUFT (pronounced stuffed) standing for Ship Taken Up From Trade. It is, strangly enough, a proper acronym.

    From http://www.btinternet.com/~warship/Feature/falk.htm

    Temporary Carriers

    Such was the need to transport and operate aircraft in the Falklands, the Ministry of Defence requisitioned many merchant ships.
    Whilst some were converted to hospital ships or troop carriers several were converted into basic aircraft carriers. The container ship Atlantic Convoyer was one such vessel. She had been laid up on the River Mersey but she and her sister ship Atlantic Causeway were taken to Devonport where they were hurriedly converted into 'harrier carriers'. However, the Atlantic Convoyer was one of the more unfortunate participants of the war. On May 25th she was struck by an exocet missile and was immediately evacuated as fire spread through the ship. Together with her loss was the destruction of 3 Chinook and six Wessex helicopters and the tragic deaths of 12 men, including several from the merchant navy. Other Royal Navy ships had some aircraft capability including the helicopter support ship RFA Engadine and the Assault ships Fearless and Intrepid ,which at one point during the campaign both successfully landed Sea Harriers on their helicopter flight decks.




    Above: Two very different views of the SS Atlantic Convoyer. (left) The Atlantic Convoyer was converted into a temporary 'harrier carrier' thanks to the versatility of the Sea Harrier which has vertical takeoff and landing ability. As can be seen from the photograph the flight deck was shielded from the elements by walls of containers at each side.(right) The Atlantic Convoyer after it was struck by the exocet.
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    The Atlantic Conveyor was used as a contender ship, with Harriers as stores when the reinforcement of the aircraft carriers were necessary.

    The mobilizations were realized by flights, taking off from the little Atlantic Conveyor's platform, and landing on the Hermes or Invincible.

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    No Eagle mate, they actually conducted limited Ops off them.

    For CAP they only needed sidewinders, guns and fuel, with such a light load they were fully capable of VTOL. The ramps on the Hermes and Invincible were used to get the heavily loaded ground attack missions of the short deck!!!!

    But yes, she did carry lots of other stores as well as aircraft. More ground attack and some of the ops, the Harriers bobbed over to Hermes or Invincible, were topped up with fuel and bombed up. On return they went direct to the Coveyor.

    Think of her as an extra runway for the carriers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000ydstare
    No Eagle mate, they actually conducted limited Ops off them.

    For CAP they only needed sidewinders, guns and fuel, with such a light load they were fully capable of VTOL. The ramps on the Hermes and Invincible were used to get the heavily loaded ground attack missions of the short deck!!!!

    But yes, she did carry lots of other stores as well as aircraft. More ground attack and some of the ops, the Harriers bobbed over to Hermes or Invincible, were topped up with fuel and bombed up. On return they went direct to the Coveyor.

    Think of her as an extra runway for the carriers.


    Partner, as far as I know, all the combat missions, CAP, CAS or bombing, took off from the carriers. Only in the cases to defend the fleet, with a small range and a light weight could be possible a VTOL, but in a CAP where the aircraft needs to cover a large surface with external fuel tanks, the carriers were de only options... greetings.
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    Although Sea Basing may be seen as a transformational concept, and the notion of using cargo ships as aircraft carriers while allowing Air Force pilots to fly from them seems to support transformation, there is a historical precedent. During the 1982 Falklands campaign, Great Britain executed a version of Sea Basing to support Operation Corporate and its retaking of the islands. It did not do this in answer to any new doctrinal concept, but of necessity. Operation Corporate highlights the two topics important to the STOVL JSF's support to Sea Basing. The first is the use of non-purpose-built ships as aircraft carriers. The Atlantic Conveyor, a commercial container ship, was pressed into service as a transport for Harriers, helicopters, spare parts, fuel, ordnance, supplies, and equipment.22 The converted ship originally was not intended to launch operational missions, but it had two operational deck spots, one of which was manned by an armed Sea Harrier during transit from Ascension Island to the task force.

    From http://www.usni.org or USN Institute discussing the merits of the JSF, and a need for STOVL. (V/STOL as was).
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    As far I understood your post, I can see that we are saying the same.

    The Atlantic Conveyor could be a platform for armed harriers, only to defend the fleet with a short range of action requested, using a light scheme of weapons, but not as a CAP, where the Harrier need its external fuel tanks... and with them the capability of VTO was practically impossible.
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    Pretty much, but you haven't said that this post is wrong or has changed...

    The Atlantic Conveyor was used as a contender ship, with Harriers as stores when the reinforcement of the aircraft carriers were necessary.

    The mobilizations were realized by flights, taking off from the little Atlantic Conveyor's platform, and landing on the Hermes or Invincible.
    Was she just a container ship, or did she conduct defence ops from her deck?

    As you say, she couldn't launch long distance or heavy load attacks as the harriers couldn't get off of the deck.
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    Atlantic Conveyor was a huge ship, and would probably have given a Aircraft Carrier like radar return. Read my thread on her, she was also used as a Carrier, although flight ops were limited due to the Harriers having to VTOL - thus less ordance could be carried. The Harriers that were launched generally hopped to a carrier for rearming/fueling and then on to an attack or performed CAPs. Chinooks also operated from the Atlantic Conveyor.

    (As anaside, the "ski jumps" on Hermes and Invincible were designed to assist heavily loaded Harriers in to the air.

    Like Panzerknacker says, many air attacks weren't planned in detail which ships to hit. Ships were targetted as they presented themselves. The AA threat from the Royal Navy was quite strong, not to mention the Air to Air threat from the Harriers at the end of some very long outward journeys.

    Fuel was always at a premium over the Islands. Britain, early on, pretty much denied the Argentines use of the airstrips on the islansd, by either direct attack or by interdiction.

    Ref the two pilots that died Panzerknacker. I am aware they didn't die in a pub. What I am interested in is who took them down. There is no record of the Invincible being defending herself against the supposed attack directly.

    Frigates in the area seem to have been pretty busy.

    One point taht is confusing is that the pilots claim to have dropped bombs on a ship. Yet NO ship actually admits to have being dropped on!!!

    Even if the pilots confused the flight deck of a Frigate with a Carrier, surely the Frigate would record the attack?

    Could they have ditched the bombs when the other two pilots were killed? Flown home and hoped that no one would notice? After all they believed the exocet to have hit the Carrier.

    Or maybe they admitted it on return, after all 50% casualties to a raid whilst not even able to see the target is pretty bad, and a "political" descision was made. Ie,

    "did the Exocet get her?"

    "Yes, nothing went wrong, and we got Atlantic Conveyor only 5 days ago in the same way"

    "Right, realease that we got her, but big up the bravery of the bomber pilots, Missiles from 100K aren't brave enough"

    Given the level of bonkers going on in the Junta at the time, it is hardly unbelievable. Also look at how the Americans have feted Jessica Lynch, yet other "less media suitable Heros" were glossed over.
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