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    Could some body tell me did any SS divisions ever used porsche turret king tigers at any time during the war?
    And if they did what is the painting scheme?
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    Read with attention this page (as a beginning): http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/tigers-02.htm
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    The above is Porsche turret, the other one is Henschel turret.
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    Thanks but these websites I've read before, and it doesn't say whether any SS DIVISIONS used PORSCHE turret King tigers, Please note SS DIVISIONS. I know Schwere panzer 503 used them.

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    Schwere panzer 503 was in France in 1944. Search to whom SS division belonged.
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    s.Pz.Abt. 503 was transferred to Normandy with 33 Tiger I and 12 Tiger II, reaching action in early July 1944. The 33 Tiger I were all shipped in June 1944. Photographs of the unit's Tigers are very limited. Technical features are similar to late Tigers shipped to the other units. However, possible distinguishing features include spare track not mounted on front plate, spare track stowed outside hull MG mount and driver's visor, and Pilze sockets on turret roof. Camouflage was similiar to other units, but on at least some vehicles, the Balkankreuz were unusually large. Tactical numbers were thin, neatly stencilled with white outline and dark, probably black, interior. (An excellent photo reference for s.Pz.Abt. 503 is the book 45 Tiger en Normandie la s. Pz.Abt. 503 by Didier Lodieu.)
    From http://www.lonesentry.com/panzer/tig...-normandy.html
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    I read that the Porsche Tigers lacked machine guns. Is that true?

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    No, it is not true.
    The main reason for adopting Henschel turret instead of Porsche turret it was the fact that Porsche turret used too much cooper in the electric wirings compared to Henschel turret.
    As for machine guns, each King Tiger had 2 x 7,92 mm MG 34

    Edited to add:
    For close-in defense, the Royal Tiger has a coaxial 7.92-mm machine gun next to the 88, and another in the hull. An anti-aircraft machine-gun mounting is fitted on top of the commander's cupola. The crew of five (the commander, gunner, loader, who are in the turret, and the driver and radio operator, who are in the front of the hull) have only one pistol port. This port is in the door in the rear of the turret, and consists of a conical plug closed by a chain. If the crew find it necessary to open hatches for observation or to use small arms, the following openings are available:

    Hull:
    Hatch over driver
    Hatch over radio operator
    Turret:
    Hatch on top of commander's cupola
    Hatch on right of top
    Hatch on rear slope
    Door in rear plate

    Quoted from: http://www.lonesentry.com/new88mm/index.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dani
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    Schwere panzer 503 was in France in 1944. Search to whom SS division belonged.
    What do you mean by "to whom SS division belonged"
    s.pz 503 like any othe schwere panzer abteilungs, they belong to the Heers(Wehrmacht) not the SS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Landstorm
    Quote Originally Posted by Dani
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    Schwere panzer 503 was in France in 1944. Search to whom SS division belonged.
    What do you means by "to whom SS division belonged"
    s.pz 503 like any othe schwere panzer abteilungs, they belong to the Heers(Wehrmacht) not the SS
    I will quote as follows:
    In January 1944, one of the Leibstandarte's s.SS-Panzer-Abt 101 Tiger commanders, Michael Wittman, was awarded the Oakleaves to the Knight's Cross for his actions in halting the attack of an entire Soviet armoured brigade.
    (Quoted from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leibsta...S_Adolf_Hitler)
    As you know, Abt (short for Abteilung) means Battalion.
    I hardly doubt that 1.SS-Panzer-Division Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler doesn't belong to Waffen-SS.

    More, on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/III_(Ge...S_Panzer_Corps, on September 16 1944 - Kurland Pocket OOB it is written:
    Schwere Panzer Abteilung 503 (SS Nr. 103)

    Finally, http://www.feldgrau.com/sspzabt.html could be easily help you in understanding that Panzer Abteilung could be formed from SS Regiments, or could be renamed as SS Panzer Abteilung.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dani
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    Schwere panzer 503 was in France in 1944. Search to whom SS division belonged.
    OK, on http://www.panzerworld.net/tigerii.html , at "Operational history" I found "List of the Tiger IIs issued, and the units they were issued to".

    Reading what it's written above,
    As components were ready to produce 50 turrets for the Porsche chassis, these were mounted on the first 50 Henschel chassis so as to prevent further delays in the production program. Because no good solution could be given to the shot trap in the turret, the turret remained unmodified. The turret differed from the Henschel in that it had a rounded front and mantlet (which proved very strong against enemy fire), and a flatter angle on the sides, which meant that the comanders cupola left a bulge in the side of the turret.
    I assume that first 50 tanks had Porsche turrets.

    According the the list, none of these first 50 tanks (with Porsche turret) were delivered to any SS Panzer Abteilungs.

    As for the Schwere (Heavy) Panzer Abteilungs, either SS or not, their role was to support different divisions within a Corps (Army, Panzer, SS, whatever Corps).

    Next search would be to find which SS divisions were in Normandy at the time of sending the Schw. Pz. Abt. 503 and also to find if this battalion was sent to reinforce a SS division there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Landstorm
    Could some body tell me did any SS divisions ever used porsche turret king tigers at any time during the war?
    And if they did what is the painting scheme?
    Thanks!!
    Moreover, I want to share what I found elsewhere:

    "Tell me, and Iíll forget.
    Show me, and Iíll remember.
    Involve me, and Iíll understand."
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    I will be grateful if you'll understand my message.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dani
    No, it is not true.
    As for machine guns, each King Tiger had 2 x 7,92 mm MG
    Not Porsche King Tigers, Porsche Tiger I's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chase
    Quote Originally Posted by Dani
    No, it is not true.
    As for machine guns, each King Tiger had 2 x 7,92 mm MG
    Not Porsche King Tigers, Porsche Tiger I's.
    Check this:
    http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/...zkpfw_vib.html
    Also Tiger I had 2 MG: http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/...zkpfw_vie.html
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