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    Quote Originally Posted by BearMgk View Post
    intresting footage keep posting
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    Thanks Bear - I'll see what I can come up with

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    Quote Originally Posted by royal744 View Post
    De Ruyter was a beautiful ship! I have a picture of an American cruiser that called in Indonesia during the 30s, taken, I believe, by my father who then lived at the Zuiker Fabriek Tjande, where his English stepfather was the general manager. I thought the ship may have been Dutch but it didn't look like any Dutch cruiser of the period. I submitted the photo to a naval site, and, incredibly, they identified it in a matter of hours! It was an American cruiser.
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    Yes, she was a beautiful ship. IIRC, the wrecks of the light cruisers De Ruyter and Java were located in 2002.
    There are photos at the Pacific Wrecks website.
    http://www.pacificwrecks.com/
    http://www.pacificwrecks.com/people/...rs/denlay.html

    Hr Ms De Ruyter
    http://www.pacificwrecks.com/ships/HrMs/de_ruyter.html
    http://www.pacificwrecks.com/ships/H...ter/index.html
    http://www.netherlandsnavy.nl/Photo_ruyter.htm

    Hr Ms Java
    http://www.pacificwrecks.com/ships/HrMs/java.html
    http://www.pacificwrecks.com/ships/HrMs/java/index.html

    Both were sunk by torpedoes launched from the Japanese heavy cruisers Nachi and Haguro around 11:30 PM, the night of 27 Feb 1942.

    http://www.microworks.net/PACIFIC/battles/java_sea.htm
    ...These actions cost Doorman his entire destroyer force. Without a screen the four Allied cruisers proceeded north until they were sighted by a lookout on the Nachi at 2302 at a range of 16,000 yards. At this time the Nachi and Haguro were headed south southwest. They swung to the port toward the Allies and assumed a parallel course heading due north. The Allies opened fire at 2310 on the Japanese heavy units. The Japanese didn’t return fire until 2321. At 2322 Nachi launched eight torpedoes, followed one minutes later by Haguro with a salvo of four. The range was approximately 14,000 yards. In contrast to the hundreds of torpedoes launched previously, these told. The De Ruyter was hit aft at 2332 by one of Haguro’s four, exploding her ammunition and killing Doorman along with 344 of his crew. She sank very quickly. Two minutes later one of Nachi’s spread struck Java. She took an hour and a half to sink...
    Royal, do you remember which American cruiser was in the photo that your father took in Indonesia during the 1930's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by abi View Post
    Hello fellas

    If you want to learn more about KNIL, NICA and about Dutch army in Indonesia you can ask me
    My grandfather was a Indonesian freedom fighter which known as BKR later became TNI (National army). He was a student in that time and he answerd the duty calls
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    Hello Abi,

    Welcome to the forum. I hope that this thread and others related to Indonesia under Dutch colonial rule prior to and during World War II has been interesting to you.

    All the Best,

    George

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    KNIL related threads merged.
    "I just ran out of ammo. I will ram this one. Good bye, we'll meet in Valhalla." - Major Heinrich Ehrler, April 4, 1945

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    I've just obtained a copy of my grandfather's Japanese POW camp Index Card (from the first camp he was interned in, in Malang, East Java). The card lists his unit as Infantry VI. Can anyone tell me about this unit and its deployments on Java in 1942? I have an idea it might actually be the 6th Anti-tank, which fought briefly near Malang. My grandfather's military records seem to show that he received artillery training in addition to infantry (the papers show the abbreviations Inf. and Art. for weapons branches).

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    Interesting pictures and video. thanks for sharing mate

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    Default The memoir of KNIL Sergeant Frank Samethini

    The Sky Looked Down, the POW memoir of KNIL sergeant Frank Samethini, has been published as a blog:

    http://theskylookeddown.blogspot.com

    Among his varied experiences as a POW of the Japanese, Samethini describes working on the infamous Burma Railway, a dangerous sea voyage to Japan, and the devastating B-29 raid on the city of Toyama.

    Excerpt:

    Railroad: A word which most of us in later years will immediately associate with the dull ache of hunger, the stench of festering ulcers, the searing sun. Work gang: The soreness of extreme fatigue, the sting of the smack in the face, the pain of the kick on the shin, the rifle butt in the back. Railroad: The ultimate in hardship, the end of the fall. Whatever hope we had in the preceding years, in the Java and Singapore camps, has fled into nothingness. All the horror written about slavery in books of history and fiction has leaped out of the pages to engulf and consume us, in a never ending hell passing from one day to another. But as history shows, all the brutality in the world cannot halt the will to survive. The rags we wear, what meagre possessions we have tucked away in frayed rucksacks, our very lives, all of that is owned by the Japanese. But the rumours, improbable as they may sound, are ours. Ours to be passed on in whispers and listened to hungrily. Yes, the rumours are ours. And the unsquashable, incredible sense of humour, witty and often biting, that too is ours, that also the Japanese cannot take away. For the rumours and sense of humour are an essential part of the spirit to carry us through until victory is ours, or until death has stilled our lips.

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    Wow, I just ended up on this forum through a Google search and there's a wealth of information here.
    I am trying to find more information about the KNIL in general and more in specific anything relating to my grandfathere (E.M.W. Bopp). He was stationed in Dilli/Timor in 1942 as a 1st sergeant (sergeant 1ste klas) in the Infantry (infanterie) I have been unable to determine his exact unit but am working on this. His was a training/drill sergeant or instructor. My grandmother and her family were living near Djogjakarta at the time.
    His unit took part in the battle of Timor but when they were ordered to surrender he and some of members of his unit decided to try to evade to the southside of the island with the intention of finding means to get to Australia. Apparently while crossing the interior of the island they were attacked by either Japanese troops or the local insurgents. He was shot in the stomach and as he was slowing their further escape down he convinced the other "escapees" to leave him behind. That is basically the last sighting of him. He was declared MIA and later KIA. My grandmother and her 5 children survived the war outside the camps and were repatriated to the Netherlands after the war.
    I have very little further information about him but know that my grandmother went to visit one of the guys from his unit in Denver (USA) and that's where she found out about the escape story.
    I'm interested in finding out more background on him (my grandfather), what unit he could have served in etc.
    Also interested to see, on the off-chance, if there is anyone here who knows this story, maybe from a different perspective..

    Evert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evertb View Post
    I am trying to find more information about the KNIL in general and more in specific anything relating to my grandfathere (E.M.W. Bopp). He was stationed in Dilli/Timor in 1942 as a 1st sergeant (sergeant 1ste klas) in the Infantry (infanterie) I have been unable to determine his exact unit but am working on this.
    He probably wasnít stationed in Dili. The western part of Timor was the Dutch part and the eastern part was Portuguese. Dili was the capital of the Portuguese part.

    The remnants of an Australian force known as Sparrow Force crossed into Portuguese Timor with attached Dutch troops after the main part of Sparrow Force surrendered to the Japanese in 1942 after the Japanese invaded both parts of Timor.

    It sounds like your grandfather might have been part of that Dutch force.

    Wiki ainít my favourite source but this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_...or#Dutch_Timor will give you some information about the Dutch forces under van Straten which crossed into Portuguese Timor. Odds are that your grandfather was in one of the units under van Straten.

    You might be able to find more about your grandfather from Dutch sources on van Stratenís force or perhaps from Australian sources on the Australian units involved in Timor.
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    You could possibly be right as I am trying to piece together the story from the few available pieces of information.
    Available records list August 11th 1942 as the date he was killed on but I have my doubts about the accuracy of that.
    I've requested a copy of his service record hoping that this will provide some more clarity.

    Evert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evertb View Post
    Available records list August 11th 1942 as the date he was killed on but I have my doubts about the accuracy of that.
    That date fits with the Japanese counter-attacks against the remaining Allied forces in Timor, and particularly against the Dutch forces in the centre of the island.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    That date fits with the Japanese counter-attacks against the remaining Allied forces in Timor, and particularly against the Dutch forces in the centre of the island.
    That was the conclusion I had come to also...
    You seem to have a wealth of knowledge on the subject :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evertb View Post
    That was the conclusion I had come to also...
    You seem to have a wealth of knowledge on the subject :-)
    Nah, I know a bit about the Australian involvement and where to look on that, but I don't know anything about the Dutch involvement beyond what I've posted which is essentially related to the Australian involvement.

    The Dutch tend to be overlooked in English-speaking histories of the war with Japan but they fought a good fight and continued to make a very useful air, naval and merchant naval contribution after they were defeated in the NEI. Especially in the early dangerous days in 1942-43 when their forces added critical resources to the Allied cause.

    I assume that the Dutch would have some veterans' or other associations and or historical societies which could give you the information you're seeking.

    I suspect that if you could read Dutch or could find someone who does you'd be able to find a lot more information on Dutch sites.
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    I'm born & bred Dutch but have been living in Ireland for a while now. I am sure that there are some veterans organisations but the trouble is finding the right ones and getting into contact with them.
    Thanks for your help though, it's very much appreciated.

    Evert.

    P.S. What time is it in Australia at the moment? :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evertb View Post
    P.S. What time is it in Australia at the moment? :-)
    1.09 a.m, which should relate to whatever time stamp appears on this post.

    It is approximately 20 years earlier in New Zealand, and about a century earlier in Tasmania which is not really part of Australia.
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    LOL, good one!

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