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    Hi George,..

    With regards to the fall of Menado, heard stories from my some people there,..
    In Bitung they are few small islands,. infact Airmididi is a place near to bitung,. one of the landing spot of the invading Japanese Navy,.

    It was told that there was a small Dutch Gun Boat was harrassing the landing and did some cat and mouse attack of the incoming Japanese fleet. The boat always able to hide on the islands and the IJN vessels had some difficulties capturing this boat.

    Does this story true?

    Much of thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by gumalangi View Post
    Hi George,..

    With regards to the fall of Menado, heard stories from my some people there,..
    In Bitung they are few small islands,. infact Airmididi is a place near to bitung,. one of the landing spot of the invading Japanese Navy,.

    It was told that there was a small Dutch Gun Boat was harrassing the landing and did some cat and mouse attack of the incoming Japanese fleet. The boat always able to hide on the islands and the IJN vessels had some difficulties capturing this boat.

    Does this story true?

    Much of thanks
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    Hi gumalangi,

    I am not sure about the story, but will check into it. I will post what I find.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by KMDjr View Post
    Hello,

    Thanks for the interesting posts. The journalist who researched and wrote about Klinkhammer was, I believe, Michiel Hegener. Hope I spelled his name right. I contacted Hegener about the Kendari area, but did not receive much of a response, although he did email back.
    Some of the KNIL who escaped Kendari wound up at Palopo; others were captured & executed or killed in firefights. One group managed to get to Timor, I believe.
    There were definitely Japanese killings at Menado and Kendari when these towns fell.
    For these murders several high-ranking Japanese naval officers were later held responsible and executed by the Dutch, including RADM Mori Kunizo and the commander of the Special Naval Landing Force at Menado in Jan 1942, Horiuchi. But specific details of these trials--which I would like to find--have eluded me so far.
    KMDjr

    Don't know if this helps.

    Enraged by the heavy losses, the Japanese executed a large number of KNIL POW's. Shortly after the capture of Langoan airfield the D' Company Commander 1st Lieutenant J. Wielinga, Sergeant-Major Robbemond, foerier B. Visscher and nine native soldiers were bayonetted or beheaded. Two more native soldiers died in captivity after they were tortured.

    Knowing that the battle was lost, van den Berg ordered his remaining troops to retreat inland and start a guerrilla.


    The Guerilla War, February 1942

    On several places the remaining KNIL forces tried to start a guerrilla against the Japanese invaders. Captain Kroon assembled what was left of the Menado Compagnie (about 50 men) and retreated towards Kembes, hoping to start an active guerrilla from this place. Due to regular desertions by his native soldiers he reached Kembes with only nine men left. Here the group was taken prisoner by the Japanese. All European members, except Kroon himself, were executed at Langoan on January 26th. (Sergeant-Major J.H. Kersten, Sergeant-Major G. Bottinga, Sergeant J.W. Meijer, Sergeant G.H.J. Wissink, Private G.H. Couzijn and Private H.J.A. Rolff).

    Sergeant Maliëzer from E-Company did not want to surrender and started a guerrilla with fifteen of his men. On February 8th they attacked a Japanese unit at Kanejan. The fighting lasted the whole day and the Japanese counter-attack failed. Outraged they burned the nearby Kampong and executed five civilians (including two women). On February 12th they came back with a larger force and this time captured Maliëzers group. Maliëzer too was executed at Langoan with twelve of his men. Also executed on this day was another woman, Mrs. Hofman, who took part in the guerrilla because the Japanese had executed her husband, a former knight of the Militaire Willemsorde.

    Captain van den Berg's and his group were taken prisoner on February 20th. His group, made up out of pensioners, attacked the Japanese units on several occasions and inflicted heavy casualties. Out of respect for the high average age and fighting spirit, the Japanese commander spared their lives.
    http://www.geocities.com/dutcheastindies/menado.html

    Perhaps if you contact the main site at http://www.geocities.com/dutcheastindies they would be able to help you as they're very well informed on the NEI.

    I'd expect that any trial of the Japanese you've mentioned would be at best C Class war criminals, possibly tried under Dutch jurisdiction after the war so they'd probably be in Dutch records somewhere rather than the International Military Tribunal for the Far East which tried the A and B Classes. Alternatively they could be in the C class criminals tried at Yokohama 1946-48 but I can't see their names in this unofficial list http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~warcri...ma-index.htm#K. There's an official index somewhere on the internet, but I can't find it. In searching the names, remember that in English the order of the surname and given name may not reflect Japanese usage, so that Toyoaki Horiuchi (I don't know anything about him) might be listed under T rather than H.
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    KMDjr


    Ooops.

    I think I might have covered stuff George Eller had already pointed to.

    Sorry. To both KMDjr and George.

    This is what happens when one posts to a post rather than reading a thread first.
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    Hello Rising Sun,

    Thanks for this info. I have already researched the IMTFE trials and these Japanese officers were not tried there AFAIK. There is good material re NEI warcrimes in the IMTFE documents--as held, for example, by Canterbury Univ. in Christchurch, NZ--but they aren't what I'm looking for now...

    I believe the records are Dutch, and not readily accessible. It appears that the Japanese were charged and executed very quickly. (In Japan CAPT Horiuchi, Toyoaki is looked upon as a tragic hero.) And I am very familiar with the NEI websites, too. They do not have what I'm looking for, so when I found this site I thought I would ask. It's possible some useful materials may also be held in Australian archives, as there were warcrimes committed against Australians & Dutch POWs together--although these mainly occurred on the Burma-Siam "Death Railway" I think. But I believe they were imprisoned and mistreated at Ambon as well, among other places. Those warcrimes I am also familiar with...

    thanks for your help anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by KMDjr View Post
    Hello Rising Sun,

    Thanks for this info. I have already researched the IMTFE trials and these Japanese officers were not tried there AFAIK. There is good material re NEI warcrimes in the IMTFE documents--as held, for example, by Canterbury Univ. in Christchurch, NZ--but they aren't what I'm looking for now...

    I believe the records are Dutch, and not readily accessible. It appears that the Japanese were charged and executed very quickly. (In Japan CAPT Horiuchi, Toyoaki is looked upon as a tragic hero.) And I am very familiar with the NEI websites, too. They do not have what I'm looking for, so when I found this site I thought I would ask. It's possible some useful materials may also be held in Australian archives, as there were warcrimes committed against Australians & Dutch POWs together--although these mainly occurred on the Burma-Siam "Death Railway" I think. But I believe they were imprisoned and mistreated at Ambon as well, among other places. Those warcrimes I am also familiar with...

    thanks for your help anyway
    Info on Australian war crimes trials sources is here http://www.awm.gov.au/journal/j30/sissons.htm

    You might get a lead to more material through this sub-section of the Australian War Memorial http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/ajrp2.nsf/

    The AWM is quite helpful with enquiries from the public. Just email them
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    KMDjr

    I forgot about this as a good starting point for research on Japanese documents. If you can't find anything there, an email might get you referred to someone who can help. http://www.jacar.go.jp/english/

    I'm inclined to think that, while a lot of documents were destroyed during and shortly after the war by both the Japanese and the Allies, as these were post war trials then something might have survived.

    You might get more info from the Australian National Archives from the source of the following quote, where you'll find a listing of some possibly relevant documents.

    Between 30 November 1945 and 9 April 1951, 924 enemy nationals were tried for war crimes in 296 trials conducted by Australian military courts. The enabling legislation – the War Crimes Act 1945 – was passed by both houses of the Australian parliament on the same day (4 October 1945). Of those found guilty by these trials, 148 were sentenced to death and executed. An additional 496 were given prison sentences.

    Trials were conducted in eight venues – Labuan, Wewak, Morotai, Rabaul, Darwin, Singapore, Hong Kong, and Manus Island
    http://www.naa.gov.au/about-us/publi....aspx#section2
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    BTW, if you need access to documents that aren't online and can't get to Australia, there are research agents who can do it for you. Don't know what their fees are like.

    http://www.naa.gov.au/about-us/publi....aspx#section7
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    Quote Originally Posted by George Eller View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by gumalangi View Post
    Hi George,..

    With regards to the fall of Menado, heard stories from my some people there,..
    In Bitung they are few small islands,. infact Airmididi is a place near to bitung,. one of the landing spot of the invading Japanese Navy,.

    It was told that there was a small Dutch Gun Boat was harrassing the landing and did some cat and mouse attack of the incoming Japanese fleet. The boat always able to hide on the islands and the IJN vessels had some difficulties capturing this boat.

    Does this story true?

    Much of thanks
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    Hi gumalangi,

    I am not sure about the story, but will check into it. I will post what I find.

    Cheers

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    Hi gumalangi,

    Sorry for the long delay. Just received a response at the Pacific War 1941-1945 Forum
    http://www.network54.com/Forum/594514/

    Mr. Jan Visser, who moderates the forum, gave the following reply:

    Re: Dutch Patrol Boat - Japanese landings - Celebes
    March 7 2008 at 6:34 PM Jan Visser (Login Visje1981)
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    http://www.network54.com/Forum/59451...ings+-+Celebes

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    Here are some possibilities:

    Motorboot S
    Captured at Menado January 11, 1942. Sunk at Menado by Allied aircraft february 1945

    Karimata
    Captured Celebes (about January 1942). Sunk at Kwandang january 1945 by Allied aircraft.

    Urania
    Captured around March 25, 1942 at Posso, Celebes. Sunk by allied aircraft january 1945.

    Togean
    As Urania. Survived the war.

    Magda
    Captured. Date and place unknown.

    Anna
    Tugboat. Scuttled off Menado by crew January 11, 1942.

    Motorboot 157
    Captured Menado January 11, 1942. Sunk at Menado February, 1945 by Allied aircraft.
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    http://www.netherlandsnavy.nl/

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    http://www.geocities.com/dutcheastindies/

    Pacific War 1941-1945 Forum
    http://www.network54.com/Forum/594514/

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    Hope this helps


    All the Best,

    George

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    Hi there George Sir,..

    Much of thanks for all those troubles,. at least i can rest assured that those folklores are true, well to be honest,. it was the story from my late father, as he was assigned to be part of those hunting parties,... sometimes I thought he was glorifying his stories,..

    Again,. .. Thank you Sir!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gumalangi View Post
    Hi there George Sir,..

    Much of thanks for all those troubles,. at least i can rest assured that those folklores are true, well to be honest,. it was the story from my late father, as he was assigned to be part of those hunting parties,... sometimes I thought he was glorifying his stories,..

    Again,. .. Thank you Sir!
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    Hi gumalangi,

    You are very welcome my friend

    Looks like what your father said was true.

    I have found the people at the Pacific War 1941-1945 forum to be very knowledgeable on anything related to the Dutch East Indies and WWII. I'm glad that Jan Visser was able to help.


    All the Best,

    George

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    Say george,. are you the anak knil?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gumalangi View Post
    Say george,. are you the anak knil?
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    Hi gumalangi,

    Sorry for the delay...it's been a busy last few days.

    I did a google search on "anak knil" and assume that you mean the alias "anak knil" used on forums.

    I think that "anak knil" is actually Stellan Bojerud from Sweden. He owns the KNIL History website. He uses that alias on his website photo albums and on his website forum. Stellan Bojerud is married to an Indonesian lady from Java whom he met in Stockholm, Sweden.

    KNIL History
    http://se.msnusers.com/KNIL-history/...hosepages.msnw

    http://se.msnusers.com/KNIL-history/shoebox.msnw

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    I usually use my real name or some variation of George on forums

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    Apology sir, for wrong accusation,.

    i did read a bit abut the site onwer, as it was so little information about the person, yet the informations and the pictures are plenty,. i as thinking it was you or someone related to you running the site,... as you yourself 'anak' KNIL yes?

    Great Weekend to you George!.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by gumalangi View Post
    Apology sir, for wrong accusation,.

    i did read a bit abut the site onwer, as it was so little information about the person, yet the informations and the pictures are plenty,. i as thinking it was you or someone related to you running the site,... as you yourself 'anak' KNIL yes?

    Great Weekend to you George!.

    Cheers
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    Well, I guess in a figurative sense, you could say I am


    All the Best to you my friend,

    George

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