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View Poll Results: Cross of Iron - a great film?

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    Default Cross of Iron

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074695/

    IMHO a really excellent film about WW2.

    A few stereotypes going on, I'll admit (the sensitive new soldier, the old style Prussian officer, the Nazi loyalist, the hard-bitten sergeant etc etc)
    but Sam Pekinpah's only WW2 film is a gem by any standards.

    Great acting by James Coburn, James Mason, David Warner and Maximillian Schell, with Pekinpah's trademark bloody battle scenes (long before SPR and the like raised the bar), T 34s charging about, the interplay of all the characters and some great dialogue.

    Colonel Brandt: What will we do when we have lost the war?
    Captain Kiesel: Prepare for the next one

    Captain Stransky: Alright. I'll do it. I'will show you how a Prussian officer fights.
    Sargeant Steiner: And I will show you where the Iron Crosses grow.

    Kern: Do you believe in God, Sergeant?
    Sargeant Steiner: I believe God is a sadist, but probably doesn't even know it

    Colonel Brandt: Why did you ask to be relieved of duty in France?
    Captain Stransky: I want to get the Iron Cross.
    Colonel Brandt: [reaching into his pockets] We can give you one of mine.




    If you don't love this film, you're obviously a weirdo.

    You could always find my FOO team in the dark by listening for the snatches of CoI dialogue bandied about.

    I hope you all enjoyed the film as much as I did.

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    The book was written by Willi Heinrich (Sp?)

    The film was good, but the book was better.

    The book starts where the film ends. I think its maybe time for more films about the Ostfront and all its true nature.

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    Mega movie !
    Well worth seeing, and Coburn's last line, (given by FB above,) is a classic flick moment.

    Agree with Firefly that the book was better, but then isn't it often so ?

    Put me off getting a bj from a Russian bint for ages though...
    Hold on, no it didn't, it just put me off getting one while dressed as a Nazi !
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    Good story,great actors-a fine film.


    \"Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster...for when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.\"
    -Friedrich Nietzsche


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    Yes, I agree, a great film.

    Apparently the depiction of the base resemble those of the River Mius in 1943 (cf. Tim Ripley's Waffen-SS).

    Also, there is an extra 2 hours of film which have been lost. From memory, they filled with more sexual innuendo and did not make it into the public release.

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    One of the best movies ever I think David Warner should have gotten an Oscar for his role

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    Very good movie, my grandfathers -who both fought on the eastern front- said it comes close to reality...
    The second part sucks big time though. Onlyy thing I did not like about Cross of Iron was this gay stuff...

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    Default Re: Cross of Iron

    Ah, yes....Sam Peckinpah's look at the Third Reich from the sharp end...

    Maximillion Schell was the real scene stealer...the film catches him combing his hair on at least three occasions...and referring to himself as an "heroic horses arse"...

    The opening title sequence shows the POWER of celluloid and music....it would have done Joe Goebbels PROUD....and that sweet little voice singing the very well known kindergarten song "Hansien Kliene" ("Little Hans")....unforgettable...

    Agree with Coburns last line as a classic, telling Schell he would lead him to where "the iron crosses grow"...Schell fires, but doesn't know how to reload....their Soviet "boy soldier" opponent is similarly handicapped, and rolls his eyes in a gesture that makes me laugh as much as Steiner was....

    And that last shot, trailing off from Steiners demonic hooting to a SERIOUS set of photos showing the execution of three partisans in the Ukraine....shattering finish...I wish the other two hours of the film was available for a "directors cut"...

    Classic cinema...I still find myself occasionally whistling "Hansien Kliene"....such is the power of cinematic propaganda...
    "It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees!"

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    Very impressive, the song and the pictures.

    Hänschen klein
    Ging allein
    In die weite Welt hinein.
    Stock und Hut
    Steht ihm gut,
    Ist gar wohlgemut.
    Doch die Mutter weinet sehr,
    Hat ja nun kein Hänschen mehr!
    „Wünsch dir Glück!“
    Sagt ihr Blick,
    „Kehr’ nur bald zurück!“
    Sieben Jahr
    Trüb und klar
    Hänschen in der Fremde war.
    Da besinnt
    Sich das Kind,
    Eilt nach Haus geschwind.
    Doch nun ist’s kein Hänschen mehr.
    Nein, ein großer Hans ist er.
    Braun gebrannt
    Stirn und Hand.
    Wird er wohl erkannt?
    Eins, zwei, drei
    Geh’n vorbei,
    Wissen nicht, wer das wohl sei.
    Schwester spricht:
    „Welch Gesicht?“
    Kennt den Bruder nicht.
    Kommt daher die Mutter sein,
    Schaut ihm kaum ins Aug hinein,
    Ruft sie schon:
    „Hans, mein Sohn!
    Grüß dich Gott, mein Sohn!“
    "I just ran out of ammo. I will ram this one. Good bye, we'll meet in Valhalla." - Major Heinrich Ehrler, April 4, 1945

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    Default Re: Cross of Iron

    I liked the action scenes. But the fact that they all spoke english ruined it for me especially Steiner who spoke fluent english throughout the film. Also the end was really weird with Steiner laughing and that russian kid with mp-40. I felt like the ending ruined the movie too! The message didn't get to me clearly cause i was confused with the ending.

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    Default Re: Cross of Iron

    How can anyone not like this film? Is the book better...? Yes. But what a film!

    "You prefer the company to men....admit it! He said yes! He said YES!"

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    Default Re: Cross of Iron

    Holy old thread batman! The Original Poster died a couple of years ago!
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    Default Re: Cross of Iron

    I have to admit, I have not seen the entire thing yet, but what I've seen I liked. then again, I like pretty much everything James coburn is in anyway.

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    For what I know ,the film ends abruptly for the simple reason that they ran out of money.Can somebody confirm that?
    Very good movie IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamehouse View Post
    For what I know ,the film ends abruptly for the simple reason that they ran out of money.Can somebody confirm that?
    Very good movie IMO.
    I think I may have read just that. There was supposed to be a bit more action, with Steiner and Stransky fighting together.

    The ending is fitting really, end of the 3rd Reich, end of the directors drunken career (more or less - his last decent film).

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