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    Interesting thread here: http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/...c/t=21592.html

    Basically it summarises some Kriegspiel after the war to estimate what would have happened, and the Germans would have got ashore then had their supply lines cut to pieces. Also contains information on the British defence plans. Enjoy!
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    i've seen some speculation about Sealion, how it may not work, etc. But it doesn't account for the fact that the British army/airforce was at her infancy while the germans were at the height of their power.

    I'm not one to judge, but Dieppe raid could be like Sealion. But who knows for sure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hosenfield
    i've seen some speculation about Sealion, how it may not work, etc. But it doesn't account for the fact that the British army/airforce was at her infancy while the germans were at the height of their power.
    In essence, only if the Germans are very lucky does this matter - the British Army and the Royal Air Force are supporting roles only; the Royal Navy would have ****ed the rather ad-hoc invasion fleet on all but the worst rolls of the die. Add to that the fact German plans for Sealion were woefully poor...

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    Quote Originally Posted by festamus View Post
    In essence, only if the Germans are very lucky does this matter - the British Army and the Royal Air Force are supporting roles only; the Royal Navy would have ****ed the rather ad-hoc invasion fleet on all but the worst rolls of the die. Add to that the fact German plans for Sealion were woefully poor...
    Operation Sealion was f-cked up cause of Hitler.
    He may be good at speeches but with prepairing operations he should of listen to his much smarter Generals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aly j View Post
    Operation Sealion was f-cked up cause of Hitler.
    He may be good at speeches but with prepairing operations he should of listen to his much smarter Generals.
    He did. That's why it never took place.
    According to Colonel-General Halder, the chief German Army planner for Operation Sealion, the operation would be like "putting the troops through a sausage machine" *


    * he stated this when he found out the logistical capabilities (or lack of) of the German naval forces

    ps; At the start of the planning the German army was thinking in terms of 40 divisions in the first wave, by the time of the final plan this had been reduced to 11 divisions (9 infantry, 2 Airborne and a small number of tanks) landing over a period of 10 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redcoat View Post
    He did. That's why it never took place.
    According to Colonel-General Halder, the chief German Army planner for Operation Sealion, the operation would be like "putting the troops through a sausage machine" *


    * he stated this when he found out the logistical capabilities (or lack of) of the German naval forces

    ps; At the start of the planning the German army was thinking in terms of 40 divisions in the first wave, by the time of the final plan this had been reduced to 11 divisions (9 infantry, 2 Airborne and a small number of tanks) landing over a period of 10 days.
    The only time Hitler listen.
    Yes hitler really wanted too do this.
    I dont think he even cared about hes own troops at all

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    I believe Hitler's impatience and Goering's eagerness to destroy the RAF would be major contributing factors to Sea Lion's failure. The main goal was to clear the decks for Babarossa. This is clear as after the Battle of Britain, the Germans completely abandoned the invasion England.
    But history is history...........

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    I've written somewhere else on here about this-

    In my opinion, if the invasion fleet had left the French ports, Winston would have thrown the whole Home and Reserve Fleets into the fight - he wouldn't have worried about losses of the heavy ships, because the German's would have had their navy wiped out, there's no way they could have fought them off. The Luftwaffe didn't have a bomb heavy enough to penetrate the deck armour of the battleships or aircraft carriers, so even if the Germans had air superiority, it wouldn't have mattered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BDL
    I've written somewhere else on here about this-

    In my opinion, if the invasion fleet had left the French ports, Winston would have thrown the whole Home and Reserve Fleets into the fight - he wouldn't have worried about losses of the heavy ships, because the German's would have had their navy wiped out, there's no way they could have fought them off. The Luftwaffe didn't have a bomb heavy enough to penetrate the deck armour of the battleships or aircraft carriers, so even if the Germans had air superiority, it wouldn't have mattered.
    The above basically sums it up. Operation Sealion will never work because the German Navy was too weak. It couldnt even muster an aircraft carrier by the end of the war! And if the Kriegsmarine ever got to really build up, Hitler wanted huge ships of enourmous tonnage, that would be extremely vulnerable and practically useless.

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    Basing the strength of the entire german navy on the fact that it "couldn't" build an aircraft carrier is rediculous. They never had any interest or intension or ever building one. The was a bold americanized comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronFist
    Basing the strength of the entire german navy on the fact that it "couldn't" build an aircraft carrier is rediculous. They never had any interest or intension or ever building one. The was a bold americanized comment.
    They did - they developed carrier Bf-109s and Ju-87s ready for it, they just never got round to building it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronFist
    Basing the strength of the entire german navy on the fact that it "couldn't" build an aircraft carrier is rediculous. They never had any interest or intension or ever building one. The was a bold americanized comment.
    It was called the Graph Zepplin:

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    Had the Germans come ashore on the isle in any substantial number Britain would have been doomed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twitch1 View Post
    Had the Germans come ashore on the isle in any substantial number Britain would have been doomed.
    Germany did manage too get a shore on british soil[ british isle or something]
    U can see an english police officer standing next too German Officers and German Soilders,and the germans even took down the british flag and put the nazi flag up. I saw it with my own eyes. History channel and ww2 book.
    It was all down too the royal air force,if they fail then britan was doomed

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