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    Interesting thread here: http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/...c/t=21592.html

    Basically it summarises some Kriegspiel after the war to estimate what would have happened, and the Germans would have got ashore then had their supply lines cut to pieces. Also contains information on the British defence plans. Enjoy!
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    i've seen some speculation about Sealion, how it may not work, etc. But it doesn't account for the fact that the British army/airforce was at her infancy while the germans were at the height of their power.

    I'm not one to judge, but Dieppe raid could be like Sealion. But who knows for sure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hosenfield
    i've seen some speculation about Sealion, how it may not work, etc. But it doesn't account for the fact that the British army/airforce was at her infancy while the germans were at the height of their power.
    In essence, only if the Germans are very lucky does this matter - the British Army and the Royal Air Force are supporting roles only; the Royal Navy would have ****ed the rather ad-hoc invasion fleet on all but the worst rolls of the die. Add to that the fact German plans for Sealion were woefully poor...

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    I believe Hitler's impatience and Goering's eagerness to destroy the RAF would be major contributing factors to Sea Lion's failure. The main goal was to clear the decks for Babarossa. This is clear as after the Battle of Britain, the Germans completely abandoned the invasion England.
    But history is history...........

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    I've written somewhere else on here about this-

    In my opinion, if the invasion fleet had left the French ports, Winston would have thrown the whole Home and Reserve Fleets into the fight - he wouldn't have worried about losses of the heavy ships, because the German's would have had their navy wiped out, there's no way they could have fought them off. The Luftwaffe didn't have a bomb heavy enough to penetrate the deck armour of the battleships or aircraft carriers, so even if the Germans had air superiority, it wouldn't have mattered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BDL
    I've written somewhere else on here about this-

    In my opinion, if the invasion fleet had left the French ports, Winston would have thrown the whole Home and Reserve Fleets into the fight - he wouldn't have worried about losses of the heavy ships, because the German's would have had their navy wiped out, there's no way they could have fought them off. The Luftwaffe didn't have a bomb heavy enough to penetrate the deck armour of the battleships or aircraft carriers, so even if the Germans had air superiority, it wouldn't have mattered.
    The above basically sums it up. Operation Sealion will never work because the German Navy was too weak. It couldnt even muster an aircraft carrier by the end of the war! And if the Kriegsmarine ever got to really build up, Hitler wanted huge ships of enourmous tonnage, that would be extremely vulnerable and practically useless.

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    Basing the strength of the entire german navy on the fact that it "couldn't" build an aircraft carrier is rediculous. They never had any interest or intension or ever building one. The was a bold americanized comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronFist
    Basing the strength of the entire german navy on the fact that it "couldn't" build an aircraft carrier is rediculous. They never had any interest or intension or ever building one. The was a bold americanized comment.
    They did - they developed carrier Bf-109s and Ju-87s ready for it, they just never got round to building it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronFist
    Basing the strength of the entire german navy on the fact that it "couldn't" build an aircraft carrier is rediculous. They never had any interest or intension or ever building one. The was a bold americanized comment.
    It was called the Graph Zepplin:

    http://web.ukonline.co.uk/aj.cashmor.../pictures.html

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    Had the Germans come ashore on the isle in any substantial number Britain would have been doomed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twitch1
    Had the Germans come ashore on the isle in any substantial number Britain would have been doomed.
    Not neccessarily - how would they have supplied the invading armies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly
    Quote Originally Posted by IronFist
    Basing the strength of the entire german navy on the fact that it "couldn't" build an aircraft carrier is rediculous. They never had any interest or intension or ever building one. The was a bold americanized comment.
    It was called the Graph Zepplin:

    http://web.ukonline.co.uk/aj.cashmor.../pictures.html
    The Peter Strasser was also laid down at the same time as the GZ, but never launched.
    Incidentally, I'm far from convinced the Germans could do very much with aircraft carriers before defeating the UK - there is just too little searoom, and the RN was just too powerful for them to sortie at will.
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    The idea that the Luftwaffe was at the peak of efficiency, whilst the RAF was only in its infancy is incorrect: The Luftwaffe had suffered considerable losses in the previous months, particularly amongst experienced aircrew, whilst the RAF had been gaining in both experience & equipment.
    The bombing of barges at French Ports would have been pursued with much greater vigour IF the threat had been deemed imminent.
    Some papers are available with reference to the disposition of our offensive air power during this period & the Kriegsmarine was seen as a greater threat than the transports.
    Things are going to get a whole lot worse from now on.......

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    If the Germans gained a foothold in Britain it means they would have had control of some coastal airfields so supplies and more troops would have been easily brought in. A sizeable number of Ju 52s existed since the type had been in service since 1934. GB was actually ringed with U-boats so that in reality she was just weeks away from complete isolation.

    Once the Luftwaffe had planes based on the island the 109's range problem would have been history and bomber escort sorties would have insured full coverage to and from targets. The 109s would have had ample fuel to stay and play with the interceptors.

    And if we're not talking an isolated group of German paratroopers here, most certainly the seizing of a port would have been top priority. So between the Ju 52s and Kriegesmarine transports, Jerry would have poured ashore and the yanks would have needed to expidite development of the trans-Atlantic bombers like the B-32.

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