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    Got news for you guys, if I had been in Stalingrad, knowing what horrible things the Einsatzgruppen were doing, and knowing what the Russians would do to them if/when captured, yea I'd freek out to and drop all pretense of military precision.

    Must have been quite a nightmare for those trapped in that city. A well deserved nightmare, but still a nightmare.

    "For as you roll a stone, so shall it be rolled back to you." That is, what goes around.. comes around.

    Egorka, ever wonder what happend to that German in the picture? We do know that of the 91,000 Germans taken prisoner, by '55 only 5000 made it back. The remainder of the POWs died in Soviet captivity.

    Now compare that to the U.S. POWs in either German or Japanese hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deaf Smith View Post
    Egorka, ever wonder what happend to that German in the picture? We do know that of the 91,000 Germans taken prisoner, by '55 only 5000 made it back. The remainder of the POWs died in Soviet captivity.

    Now compare that to the U.S. POWs in either German or Japanese hands.
    Deaf
    I heard the death-rate among American pow in Japane were 30% during a war.During the only Battan Death March- within week died rougtly 15 000. Keep in mind the prisoners went in jungles in april , not in frost -35C. That's all is however is tiny compared to death rate of Russian pows( almost 60%) in GErmans camps for 1941-45.
    As for stalingrad the all of German POWs were almost dead in jenurary 1943. Most of them died couple of months later.The poor frozen walking sick sceletons - they were.
    And The 6-army POWs didn't go back in 1955, the most of survived GErmans Pows ( about 2 millions) were returned back in 1949. In 1953-55 the last group , nearly 10 000 were sent back in germany.
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    I just want to add to Chevan's words that of those app. 91.000 German POWs captured in Stalingrad, at least half died shortly (IIRC within 2 months) after capture.
    Their health conditions at the moment of capture affected hugely their chances for survival. Including those who died later too - many of them had their health damadged permanently.
    Obviously Soviets might have done a bit better in accomodating them, there were numerous reasons preventing that, ranging from lack of possibilities to deliberate niglegence.

    P.S: The fait of that particular POW: this photo was taken in April 1947, so knowing that, statisticaly speaking he had most likely survived and was repatriated before the end of 1949.

    P.P.S: Maybe I was a bit too optimistic. There was a famin in 1946 a 1947 with increased the Soviet mortality rate by 1,5 times. It also affected POWs mortality rate. IIRC their rations were cut at that time. So statisticaly he still likely had survived.
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    Getting back to the original question: I own a copy of "Stalingrad" myself and consider it a pretty good effort overall. It seems like an allegory for the whole German experience in WWII.

    Full of enthusiasm, the German soldiers embark on their new "adventure" only to experience the first of many misgivings as they take in the sheer enormity of the country they are invading and the mission they hope to accomplish. The actual fighting proves more brutal than anything they might have imagined, and their "Leadership" is eventually revealed as incompetant, deranged, or both. Everyone is finally trapped in a no-win situation as hope dies (or is murdered) in front of them. The final scene in which two gallant survivors freeze to death in a snowstorm is one of the most powerful "endings" I have seen in any war movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emchista View Post
    Getting back to the original question: I own a copy of "Stalingrad" myself and consider it a pretty good effort overall. It seems like an allegory for the whole German experience in WWII.

    Full of enthusiasm, the German soldiers embark on their new "adventure" only to experience the first of many misgivings as they take in the sheer enormity of the country they are invading and the mission they hope to accomplish. The actual fighting proves more brutal than anything they might have imagined, and their "Leadership" is eventually revealed as incompetant, deranged, or both. Everyone is finally trapped in a no-win situation as hope dies (or is murdered) in front of them. The final scene in which two gallant survivors freeze to death in a snowstorm is one of the most powerful "endings" I have seen in any war movie.
    Very well said , i completely agree with your opinion

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    Didn't seen the whole movie yet but I saw some of it's clips. What I watched is the Germans waiting for the t-34s to come at the outskirts of Stalingrad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gen. Sandworm View Post
    Im not going to vote coz i havent seen it all but the parts I did see looked really good. So if i were going to I would at least give it "Its okay"
    Thank you for information.

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    Stalingrad is a great movie!

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    It is a good film, sadly in UK we can only get a very badly dubbed version, personally i'd rather see it in Deutsch with English subtitles.
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    I own the film and like it very much. It's very rare for me to see a film about the war that is not from the allies' perspective so it makes "Stalingrad" that much more unique. The ending was very powerful to me, and it did a very good job portraying the hopelessness and futility of the situation. The main characters also did a great job trying to portray what I would think are ordinary, decent soldiers reacting to the conditions and environment they're exposed to right up until the tragic end. A great film, but a depressing one as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yeoman View Post
    It is a good film, sadly in UK we can only get a very badly dubbed version, personally i'd rather see it in Deutsch with English subtitles.
    I've got to go with Iron Yeoman on this one. I watched the film in school and still own an old vhs copy. The dubbing is pretty poor, and there is an added authenticity to hearing the actors speak in the appropriate tongue.
    Good to see the 'human' face of the Wermacht, not just mindless 'baddies'. Also, using unknown (in the uk at least) actors makes the characters more 'ordinary' which brings it home more. The same thing was used in "Flight 93" about 9/11 if I recall right.

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    Stalingrad is definitely a must have for your movie collection. You won't regret it!

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    The messages above are totally unreadable on my screen.


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