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    Default General Douglas MacArthur

    Hey guys,

    I saw a documentry on the history channel the other week about MacArthur, he was some hot stuff in New Guinea and the solomons, I was wondering if anyone else saw the film.

    No wonder those Japanese retreated the counter attack at Guadloupe was full on, by all accounts.

    This forum looks real good, i have been lurking for a while,
    and you brits sure are funny, sorry to hear about yo' dawg IRONMAN I hate to see another American suffer!

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    MacArthur did very well in the WWII Pacific, it's just that he seemed to lose it a bit in Korea which rather ruins his mystique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bladensburg
    MacArthur did very well in the WWII Pacific, it's just that he seemed to lose it a bit in Korea which rather ruins his mystique.
    Dont think it ruins his mystique. I think he just wasnt used to hearing "no" He was a 5 Star General not a politican. Very different from others like "Ike" for instance.

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    Hmm, you've got a point there although I do think that his plan for deploying nuclear weapons was a little detached from reality and he does seem to have gone out of his way to provoke the Chinese. A good general should know when to stop as well as when to keep going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gen. Sandworm
    He was a 5 Star General not a politican.
    I beg to differ. He was very much so a politician. Every move he had done in the Pacific Campaign were politically motivated. Some of them include:

    1. Did you know he was working for a presidential nomination until the wrong kind of people (the extreme-right reactionaries) showed support for him?

    2. Wading ashore at Leyte. There was absolutely no need for him to wade ashore at Leyte, except he knew he had a photographer on hand, so he chose to do so for the publicity.

    3. The complete censorship of everything in his theater. All words about MacArthur must be good news, otherwise they are censored. All credits for victories went for MacArthur instead of the respective field commanders.

    4. As SCAP, he brilliantly fought off the pressure to try Hirohito as a war prisoner, allowing him to occupy Japan with nearly total Japanese support.

    5. Did you know he wrote just about all of the Japanese constitution?

    There were too many incidences. Some perhaps out of his megalomania alone, but most are politically charged. As controversial as he was, he was doubtlessly a great politician in his own right.

    If you are interested in MacArthur, I strongly recommend reading William Manchester's American Caesar.
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    McArtur may well have been a qusi megolomaniac with an ego the size of a house but Japan in particular owes him a debt in enabeling it to become a democratic nation and go on to being the techionological power house of the last 40 odd years.

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    mac arthur was great!,*my favourite american general (*vs the general patton,another military genius).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erwin Schätzer(argentina)
    mac arthur was great!,*my favourite american general (*vs the general patton,another military genius).
    I think you have chosen to idolize two of the most eccentric American generals in history
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erwin Schätzer(argentina)
    mac arthur was great!,*my favourite american general (*vs the general patton,another military genius).
    RIGHT ON MAN! I back u 110% on that statement

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    Are you sure you agree or just agree with the fame that both those generals recieve get even today. There are a lot more unknown commaders that did more but were never as praised as those two.

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    In only my personal opinion Mac performed poorly when the chips were down and only later somewhat vindicated himself when the tide had turned and he had overwhelming superiority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twitch1
    In only my personal opinion Mac performed poorly when the chips were down and only later somewhat vindicated himself when the tide had turned and he had overwhelming superiority.
    Well I might agree with that. But you have to admit that he was good. The invasion of Inchon during the Korean war was absolutely brillant and saved the S. Koreans asses

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    wasn't there debate about him knowing of the attack on the phillipens and did nothing about it?

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    MacArthur was overrated, and often took credit for his subordinates work...

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    First off, no Australian of my generation is anything other than grateful for the efforts in the pacific war by the USA.

    In my reading of it, I wouldn't give the US Army's ground forces much of the credit, until the return to the Philippines.

    A political general, and a hubris infected megalomaniac? You betcha arse. Everything said on this front in this thread above is true.

    He may have been a brave man in ww1, but there is almost no evidence that he was in wwII. And he couldn't obey orders. The most valuable thing he ever did was to decide on the Garand.

    Everything that came out of his HQ, from 1942 on, was predicated on the next Presidential election!

    He was known to the Australian troops as 'Dugout Doug', and was renowned for avoiding the front line. And thus he ended up not having a clue about the realities, horrificly so in PNG.

    The US's soldiers, and leadership, and thus Mac, did NOT perform well in PNG, not at all. Took them a long time to get any better.

    G'warn read up about it. Might do you good.

    Buna, Gona and Lae, ?? look them up!!

    where the already exhausted Aussie soldiers, with Battalions below coy strength - who had fought their way across PNG via the Owen Stanley's, and didn't land - like the fresh Yank division's - within a few miles of the places above, did most of the fighting. ALLIED victories? I don't think so. Apart from logistics, that is.

    The vast majority of the fighting on the ground in PNG - right to the end - was carried out by the Australians, news which still hasn't reached the USA it seems.

    "allied troops" being the required newsspeak* from Mac's hq.

    It was Australian infantry that broke the 'invincible' Japanese soldiery. NOT Dougie, or yr GI's, and well before Guadalcanal even began. Do try to get your heads around this.

    One of the things that most puzzle me, and many other Aussies, is this adulation of Mac and Patton, two of the least admirable human beings I've ever studied, and only one of them a truly successful general.

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