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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    Yea, the Sheridan is definately a very interesting vehicle, too overgunned in my opinion, at list for that aluminium chassis.

    The Tam weight about 33 tons, the rocket launcher a little more.

    Hi P.K. Although I didnt get to train on the Sheridan,their school was next to ours, and black eyes were a common sight during fire week. The recoil was so severe, that most of the gunners got them. the 152 mm gun used a round that while not "caseless" had a combustable case, that was supposed to be incinerated upon firing, relieving the loader from having to deal with the spent case. A good idea, but it caused the loading sequence to be somewhat slow. the breach was powered, and had interlock lights to tell when it was safe to load. Not a thing I would want to be waiting on if a T-62, or 72 was swinging its main battery towards me,,,,,,,

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    Is slow yes, but I think that the M551 gun with a steadier plataform, ( let said a walker Bulldog or a M48 tank) would be more efficient.


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    It surely would, there was an M60 variant the A1-E2 that had a different turret, and mounted the 152mm gun/launcher.It was the first U.S. tank to mount a lazer rangefinder. prototypes were built, but it never saw general deployment.when I was in Germany, we were hoping the get them...or at least get to play with one...Edit: It is reported that 562 of the A1-E2 tanks were built, but there being so much trouble with the gun-launcher system, that it was withdrawn from service, and the hulls refitted as M60-A2, or bridge carriers. The cited reason was that the bore scavenging system was not clearing the smouldering bits of the previous shot from the tube, and causing subsequent loads to cook off. ( a very untidy event if the breech is still open.) It had a conventional interrupted screw breech, powered open/close.
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    Nice, I didnt know that was a 152 mm gunned M-60.

    And this is also a rare bird. The project TAM TAP with 120 mm gun. More or less aTAM with a Leopard 2a4 turret.


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    Hmmm.... more of a tank destroyer than anything else. Odd really - just about all of the rest of the world has moved to ATGWs instead of guns for tank destroyer type work... probably why it doesn't seem to have gone anywhere.
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    I have my doubts about the capacities of the TAM turret ring to absorb the heavy recoil of the 120 mm smooth bore Rheinmetall in the TAP, even today the TAM if is standed over muddy terrain it recoil a few centimeters back when the main 105mm gun is fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    I have my doubts about the capacities of the TAM turret ring to absorb the heavy recoil of the 120 mm smooth bore Rheinmetall in the TAP, even today the TAM if is standed over muddy terrain it recoil a few centimeters back when the main 105mm gun is fired.
    I was thinking the same thing P.K. I trust the hull is steel, still, that is too much gun for such a small ring, and light hull. Unless the ammo is down loaded. I'd be reluctant to gun that one,, if the turret comes loose, one might find himself half the man he used to be.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdf27 View Post
    Hmmm.... more of a tank destroyer than anything else. Odd really - just about all of the rest of the world has moved to ATGWs instead of guns for tank destroyer type work... probably why it doesn't seem to have gone anywhere.
    Which vehicle are you speaking of, the m60A1E2, or the TAP? if the E2, it is a tank, and was thought to be the replacement MBT for America.

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    The TAP. Full-on tank turret on a vehicle which is much more poorly armoured than an MBT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdf27 View Post
    The TAP. Full-on tank turret on a vehicle which is much more poorly armoured than an MBT.
    PDF, I think that the military people should hire us 3 as consultants for such projects. Our main concern is that protection aside, the hull isnt strong enough or the suspension for that matter, to hold onto the turret in a firefight. Also, can you tell me what Winalot is??
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    A popular UK brand of dogfood. The quote is from the comedy* series Yes Prime Minister.

    * As anybody who has actually dealt with the UK civil service knows, Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister were actually documentaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdf27 View Post
    A popular UK brand of dogfood. The quote is from the comedy* series Yes Prime Minister.

    * As anybody who has actually dealt with the UK civil service knows, Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister were actually documentaries.
    Haa_HAAAAAAAAAAAA-HA! I can just see that,,, he-he-he... thanks!

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    The chassis is made of steel , it is based in the german Marder AFV but slighty up-armored.

    Here I find a old video of the tank Regiment General Necochea.
    Note in the minute 3:14 and 5:11 how the vehicle slide backwards in the grass after the gun is fired. That is recoil ¡¡

    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=2mSMcA3TjqU

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    The chassis is made of steel , it is based in the german Marder AFV but slighty up-armored.

    Here I find a old video of the tank Regiment General Necochea.
    Note in the minute 3:14 and 5:11 how the vehicle slide backwards in the grass after the gun is fired. That is recoil ¡¡

    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=2mSMcA3TjqU
    That chassis is taking some pounding. I'd be concerned that in a protracted firefight, there may be failures of the turret, or automotive systems.. Very exciting to see though, brings back memories.... snif,,,snif. my turn now,,,

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    That chassis is taking some pounding. I'd be concerned that in a protracted firefight, there may be failures of the turret, or automotive systems.. Very exciting to see though, brings back memories.... snif,,,snif. my turn now,,,
    All the melancolic people seems to be togheter here.

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