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    Default Could German have won World War 2?

    Germany can win in the following way:

    -Germany continue to bomb British airfield despite Churchill trying to trick Hitler to change his target.

    -I believe some tanks are able to travel on water, since most british ships are on the north side of the country, tanks can land on the south side of England with the protection of germany navy and fighters. The Objective for those tanks are to finish off shore defense and let panthers tanks to went ashore safely, then Britain is basically finished.

    -With Britain falling in to German's hand, Americans would be unwilling to attack Europe in a short time, that gives german the time to build heavy defense on England, while starting to invade Russia with better preparation

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    I think it would have been a lot harder than that as occupying a country with land access is a lot more difficult than invading an Island.

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    If Germany hadn't started the war with the Russians, they would have been a lot tougher to beat! We were lucky that we ended up fighting Hitler's tactics instead of Hitler's general's tactics!

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    I dont think that it would be so easy to invade England. After all Hitler could not dominate the air.

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    i don't like "what if"s much but i can say that;they could have kept most of europe and north africa.It's a good thing that Hitler decided to mess with USSR.They even could have won if Japanese accepted to go for "the north plan" which meaned attacking Russia.But we all know what they did.

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    I don't think the Japanese would have made much difference to be honest as the Russians used weight of numbers against the Germans and would have done the same against the Japanese. Also the Chinese would have been between the Russians and the Japanese and were already fighting them so the Japanese would have struggled to reach Russia anyway.

    I agree that it would have been harder without the attack on Russia however it wasn't just Britain but all the commonwealth forces fighting So it wasn't as one sided as somepeople think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FW-190 Pilot
    Germany can win in the following way:

    -Germany continue to bomb British airfield despite Churchill trying to trick Hitler to change his target.

    -I believe some tanks are able to travel on water, since most british ships are on the north side of the country, tanks can land on the south side of England with the protection of germany navy and fighters. The Objective for those tanks are to finish off shore defense and let panthers tanks to went ashore safely, then Britain is basically finished.

    -With Britain falling in to German's hand, Americans would be unwilling to attack Europe in a short time, that gives german the time to build heavy defense on England, while starting to invade Russia with better preparation
    Ok, well I have to politely disagree with you FW 190 pilot for the following reasons:

    In order to organise a co-ordinated attack on the Island of England, Germany needed to get command of the Air AND sea. The Kreigsmarine lost a good number of ships in the Norwegian Campaign and its numbers were vasty inferior to the Royal Navy. The Germans may have gained control of the air but the invasion fleet would still have taken massive casualties crossing the channel. The Royal Navy had plans to send its ships into the Channel if an invasion was imminent to completely disrupt the landings.

    The Wehrmacht did experiment with inflatable tanks but they were not ver y successful and were used in the Invasion of Russia to get across the River Bug, there were too few of them to make a difference
    Once those tanks got ashore well they would need infantry support as experience has shown that tanks on their own quickly become sitting ducks on a battlefield.
    As for the Panther, well it didnt come into production until 1943.

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    So where is this mysterious Island of england ?

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    Its to the East of the nearly as mysterious Island of Ireland, home of the free loving and free drinking Leprechauns !!!

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    The short answer is yes and no. Operation Sea Lion probably could have landed German troops on the British Isles. However, the Royal Navy would have been able to choke off the German's cross-channel supply lines and eventually force the surrender of the beachead.

    Other facts worth mentioning, although the Royal Navy did have a near 10:1 advantage in hulls over the Kreigsmarine, most of the R.N.'s assett were deployed in the Atlantic or elsewhere after the fall of France. It would have taken some time to recall those ships to defend against a cross-channel invasion.

    Also, the Luftwaffe did not have the overwhelming advantage that the RAF thought they did during the Battle of Britain, however this belief caused the RAF reserves to be called up and Spitfire production to be cranked up, and it gave a boost to Radar deployment as well. All of which helped doom any hope of an invasion of Britain.

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    I think this depends on what one considers winning the war. Germany dominating the Earth? Don’t see how this would be possible under any circumstances. Controlling Europe as a whole? Yes I think this was possible. That being said, much of this would hinge on securing Western Europe.
    Firstly, if Germany (namely Hitler and Goering) had not bungled Dunkirk so badly they could have captured much of the BEF. This would have left England greatly exposed. Second step would be to eliminate the RAF. If the Luftwaffe had concentrated on military objectives (airfields, radar station etc) instead of civilian targets, they could have suppressed the RAF more than enough for an invasion. In fact they almost did just this. Most historians give the RAF 2-4 weeks of combat efficiency before Germany switched to civilian targets. As we all know, actually getting the troops to the shore would have been the main problem. The actual cross channel invasion would need to have come with great speed after the fall of France. If all these factors had gone in Germany’s favor I believe they could have taken England. This would have prevented any Normandy type invasion.
    Hitler would have more than likely still invaded Russia. I really cant see then defeating the Russian’s even with more supplies and men. The battle on the Russian front would probably have come to a stalemate. From this point it’s hard to say what would happen. Really depends on the politics. However I think Germany could have secured Europe.

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    I think Germany could easily of taken England. If the Luftwaffe only continued attacking the RAF for just a few more days the RAF would of completely been destroyed. The main reason why the RAF was so successful in destroying the Luftwaffe, while the RAF was greatly outnumbered, was because of radar.

    Radar was invented sometime around 1938 by some English Scientists. After completing some successful trials, they built many many radar towers along the coast of England and up to Scotland. Thus they could detect any airplanes, the speed and hieght, as they where crossing the English channel. This meant that the RAF did not have to just fly around and wait for the Germans, which they could never have been able to afford. They could also choose which planes at which bases would go up to meet the Germans. One guy in the German air force avised the guy who was operating the Luftwaffe (dont know his name) to bomb these towers because he thought that they had a very important purpose, they did bomb them once and only put them out-of-order for a while. This proved to be one of the very serious mistakes made by the Germans. They could of easily taken England if they could of just bombed those towers.

    I will be posting a topic about radar in WW2 in the British forum.

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    Another good question........Do you think Stalin would have gone to war with the Germans? The Nazi's and the Communist didnt like each other for sure. But I dont think Russian's would have gone to war with Germany. What really scary would be if the Russian and the Germans had made an alliance. Pretty doubtful but they both were land hungry.

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    I think to detur a Normandy invasion Hitler should have let the jet program go when he heard of it. This would have given him advanced fighters with some kick arse pilots that would have thwarted off the Allied bombing offensive which aided in Normandy.

    I think had Hitler let his Generals plan things they may have had a slight chance in winning I mean I doubt it, but it would have made it harder for us. Also if he didn't declare war on the U.S. and instead conquered Europe then we woulda been in a sticky situation when it came to finding allies over there plus the Pacific on top of that. Perhaps all those things combined together but I guess we will never know.

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    Hitler was a moron as far as military strategy. Stalingrad proved that. If he would have stayed out of it.....things would have been much harder. Hitler should have stuck to what he did best......motivation.

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