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    I've read some accounts of die hard Nazis continuing to fight after VE Day. Who were the leaders and was it very widespread or effective?

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    The German Government had built somewhat secret facilities they called "Werewolf Redoubts" These were stocked with supplies, and weapons and munitions which could be used in such a circumstance. I do not recall any of these being used though. IIRC.

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    I think the Werewolves basically fizzled as a resistance movement as they enjoyed little popular support and suffered harsh Allied reprisals. The movement basically devolved into an escape movement designed to keep Nazi war criminals from prosecution and as sort of a post-war secret society and "old boys network" AFAIK...

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    Wiki states that some redoubts were used on a smaller scale, locally built ones. Historians universally state they were no real threat to the occupation(s). But one historian states they might have lasted longer and done more damage to an already stressed economy than is generally acknowledged...

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    It fizzled out and ever existed as an actual force. Guys wised up and went home and tried to get on with things. There was simply no point in continuing. Life was hard enough, plus all the bosses had been rounded up or left the country.

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    I seem to recall those same things Nick, and Forager, designed as support for resistance, or sabotage efforts, but not really used. I read about them many years back while still in Germany, so my recollection may be fuzzy.

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    As with the others above, my recollection from ancient reading is that the Allies were seriously worried about and prepared for Werewolves but the feared threat never materialised.

    Thanks to Dr Google, it appears that there was a tiny amount of Werewolf action. http://canadafreepress.com/2005/rubin082005.htm
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    There was some action and some claim that a few remained on the lam into the late 40's or early 50's. Another reason for the lack of enthusiasm may have been the conduct of the senior Nazi leadership that wanted to fight to the bitter end of everyone else while they and their families fled. They were referred to as "Golden Pheasants" after the eagles of Nazi pageantry...

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    I've been reading recently a lot about so -called "Riese Complex" in Owl Mountains, Lower Silesia, Poland. Its purpose is unknown, as all the documentation and plans vanished after the war. Around 40000 slave workers were based in the camps all around the site and were used for construction on and under ground. There is a lot of rumours, legends and stories about that place. Some of them already confirmed. Probably it was meant to be a huge weapons factory (including various V and wunderwaffe project) with all related research facilities (nuclear research too) and according to some, a main HQ for Hitler and all the other HQs. Anyway, after the war the Werewolf was very active in that area, guarding the secrets of that complex.
    Some of them were employed undercover in many mines around, as the new polish authorities lacked proffesional mining personnel and people who knew the mines and the complex. It is said, that they remained active till mid 50's.
    Even later, some of them were still around, obviously in a different role, spreading disinformation when the government was trying to exploring the site and find out what was really going on there during the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garm1and View Post
    I've read some accounts of die hard Nazis continuing to fight after VE Day. Who were the leaders and was it very widespread or effective?
    I/m not sure about the germans unit - most of germans did not accept the idea of partisan war, but in the East the manies armed groups ,ideologically closed to nazis ethnic extremist, were figting till the mid 50yy. Biggest one of them was so called "UPA" - whose ethnic crimes toward the poles and jews become well known just after the war. Ironically, the exactly UPA was used by CIA later , during the Cold war

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    I/m not sure about the germans unit - most of germans did not accept the idea of partisan war, but in the East the manies armed groups ,ideologically closed to nazis ethnic extremist, were figting till the mid 50yy. Biggest one of them was so called "UPA" - whose ethnic crimes toward the poles and jews become well known just after the war. Ironically, the exactly UPA was used by CIA later , during the Cold war
    Interesting.

    So there was armed guerrilla resistance to the Soviets in Soviet occupied territories after 1945, up to the mid-1950s?

    Not surprising that we haven't heard of it in the West, as Stalin wasn't likely to advertise it.

    What were the main countries / areas it occurred?

    As for the link you've given for entry to the US for a former criminal, there's nothing unusual about that. The best example is the Gehlen group of former Nazis recruited by the Americans as its intelligence group shortly after WWII in Germany. In Australia we were hosts to various people rightly accused of war crimes and crimes against humanity, but not necessarily former Nazis as some of the genocidal bastards from Yugoslavia were particularly popular with our intelligence people. Anyone who was a staunch anti-communist (which often meant a rabid fascist) already scored 90 out of a 100 points for approval.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    Interesting.

    So there was armed guerrilla resistance to the Soviets in Soviet occupied territories after 1945, up to the mid-1950s?

    Not surprising that we haven't heard of it in the West, as Stalin wasn't likely to advertise it.
    I think the west was well aware of guerrila warfire on Western Ukraine but tended not to focused on it. Few thousands mens fought the NKVD since 1944-1953 and they were planned ot use in a possible war against USSR. Though , the Korean war has changed the priorities, US has concentrated the military efforts over Asia and UPA finally has lost the game.
    ... Anyone who was a staunch anti-communist (which often meant a rabid fascist) already scored 90 out of a 100 points for approval.
    The secret services are all doing by the say dirty way)) The specific of its work. I'm not wonder if i will once have learned that KGB used former nazis as well))

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    Interesting.

    So there was armed guerrilla resistance to the Soviets in Soviet occupied territories after 1945, up to the mid-1950s?

    Not surprising that we haven't heard of it in the West, as Stalin wasn't likely to advertise it.

    What were the main countries / areas it occurred?
    In Poland the strongest anticommunist resistance lasted until 1947-48 and covered large areas of the country. It's estimated that there were some 150000 armed fighters.
    Gradually they were eliminated by the NKVD and polish security police MBP. The last fighter was killed in the firefight in 1962.
    Obviously, the polish resistance was also active in the polish territory which was given to USSR by the Allies in Yalta conference.
    But their situation was much worse, than those in post-1945 Poland.

    I know UPA was also active after the war. Lithuanian anti-communists caused the NKVD a lot of headache too.

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    Hello friend Kovalski. Glad to see you come back to faterland- Poland. Haw was the general expression about Ireland?
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    Obviously, the polish resistance was also active in the polish territory which was given to USSR by the Allies in Yalta conference.
    You mean the territories of Western Ukraine and Belorussia - where UPA has operated post-war? But UPA was hostile to AK - were here a known post war conflict between those forces or they have agreed and allied in common fight against NKVD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    Hello friend Kovalski. Glad to see you come back to faterland- Poland. Haw was the general expression about Ireland?

    You mean the territories of Western Ukraine and Belorussia - where UPA has operated post-war? But UPA was hostile to AK - were here a known post war conflict between those forces or they have agreed and allied in common fight against NKVD?
    Hi Chevan, i stayed in Scotland, not Ireland. It was wet and an windy, same as Ireland I assume.

    Back to the post - I meant polish territories taken over by USSR after September 17 1939. As far as I remember AK never cooperated with UPA, as UPA was openly anti-polish and polish efforts to reach the agreement ended in murder the polish emissaries. Therefore AK decided to start a self-defence campaign agaist UPA (which was acting with wide acceptance from Nazi Germany). Obviously, it wasn't possible for AK to work together with UPA - not after Wolyn Massacre.

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