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    Christopher Nolan is known for his meticulous attention to detail. Even going as far as using real naval destroyers instead of CGI in his upcoming film, Dunkirk.

    However it looks like there was one small thing he overlooked in the beautiful first teaser for the World War II epic.

    Did you spot it? It happens during the final shot of the teaser. There's one extra that is behaving a little too happy go lucky for a soldier in the midst of one of the most famous battles in World War II.
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    Must be a Relative of "Carl"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I've played it many times and can't see why his expression or conduct is out of place. Even if one sees him as happy go lucky, why wouldn't that be consistent with being shell shocked or some other consequence of the grinding lead up to or grinding experience at Dunkirk waiting for evacuation?

    Anyway, the Dunkirk evacuation was just that: an evacuation, not a battle. On the Allied side, it ranks more with Greece and Crete (but, alas, not the Philippines or Singapore or various parts south) in extracting by sea the greatest number of troops, generally without much more than they carried on their backs, to fight another day after another glorious defeat by the Germans.

    Dunkirk was the result of a reasonable chance of combined French and British arms defeating or at least holding the Germans in continental Europe. Greece, Crete, the Philippines and Singapore were just occasions where, for various reasons which boil down to poor judgment by the British Commonwealth and Americans supreme commanders and sometimes advice from their incompetent military commanders suffering terminal doses of hubris (notably MacArthur), there was little or no chance of resisting the enemy, even without the benefit of hindsight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    I've played it many times and can't see why his expression or conduct is out of place. Even if one sees him as happy go lucky, why wouldn't that be consistent with being shell shocked or some other consequence of the grinding lead up to or grinding experience at Dunkirk waiting for evacuation?

    ....
    I sort of agree. Insanity and the expressions of it would be rather congruent with war in general, and in this instance in particular. There of course is always fear and stress associated with battle but the shocking speed of the German advance and the corresponding sleep deprivation and complete befuddlement of the general mass of the Allied troops might have produced characters that were not "all there" or even perhaps welcoming of death by that point...

    After all, perhaps much like Private Pyle, this man was "in a world of sht!"
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    Everyone had someone sort of like this in basic training, if not to Pyle's murderous and suicidal extent...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Insanity and the expressions of it would be rather congruent with war in general, and in this instance in particular.
    About 10% of casualties admitted to regimental aid posts at Dunkirk were combat stress. The percentage might have been higher as large numbers of servicemen were admitted to psychiatric hospitals on return to Britain, p.244, http://www.kcl.ac.uk/kcmhr/publicati...casulaties.pdf

    So there's a good chance that about 1 in every 10 of the men in the film clip were suffering some degree of combat stress, which could manifest itself as seemingly inappropriate behaviour. Although I'm buggered if I know what's appropriate after you've been defeated; cornered; bombed and, don't know if you'll be evacuated or become a POW, if you survive.


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    There of course is always fear and stress associated with battle ...
    And different people react in different ways at the time, and years later.

    There is a line in a song down here which is one of the anthems for the Vietnam diggers [I was only 19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urtiyp-G6jY] about the sound of a television station's helicopter being disturbing years later:

    And can you tell me, doctor, why I still can't get to sleep?
    And why the Channel Seven chopper chills me to my feet?


    When that song was released in the early 1980s, a mate of mine who had served in Vietnam as a grunt told me he loved the sound of helicopters, because it meant at worst they were getting fire support; or, better, supplies; or, best; getting lifted out.
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    Ha! I never would have noticed had someone not pointed it out.
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    Well...

    Where are the French? The stand like the "Spartan 300" that made it all possible?

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    Merged into existing thread and retitled...

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    I'm sure that something similar to Fury will happen: the first half will be moderately realistic, then some turn of events will happen that will be unhistorical as hell.

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    Thank you.


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    Apparently the film is getting rave reviews overall and is in Oscar contention already. I haven't seen it yet so will refrain from commentary until seen...

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    I plan to see it, and just hoping that it isn't an extravagance of effects with just a dash of history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankgeezer View Post
    I plan to see it, and just hoping that it isn't an extravagance of effects with just a dash of history.
    I saw it. There really seems to be rather little CGI and somewhat sticks to the story from a very British point of view. One thing Nolan did is seems is he deliberately avoided the battles around Dunkirk and Lille and there are only three or so brief scenes showing the French, and only one of them holding the outskirts of the town itself...

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    Since I have never read that much about this, I will not comment on the film's historical accuracy. However, for purely entertainment value I would say it is worth your money. I saw it in a theater in Hagerstown, Md. a few days ago. The cinematography is spectacular. But as someone mentioned, done more like a documentary and at times jumps from scene to scene quite rapidly. Not your "Saving Private Ryan" (my favorite) type movie with a definite story line and plot, but I think that the acting in Dunkirk is very good. I especially liked the air combat scenes. I have heard pro and con from the experts on the battle.

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