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    The Primary debates are pretty much a beauty contest, and Promotions, and Marketing show, just a mechanism for creating Buzz. There is seldom much of anything during them that is really a decision maker. It's a long way to Polling time, and much more Hay to be made by both sides.

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    From the look of things Trump will follow path of J.F Kennedy and he even doesn't know it...
    Putin on the other hand HAS control over Russia's security apparatus and is unlikely to be killed by it.

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    The vault opened and therefrom emerged ... Morticia Palin ! Trump - Palin ... could this be the Dream (or Nightmare) Ticket ? Yours from a very deep mineshaft, JR.

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    Muslim are a a problem, if we want to realize and say that at loud or not doest change a thing, the case in Europe, countries like France, Sweden, UK, Germany is particulary sad and tragic, the tragedies that sucedded were all very previsible, I recomend to read the late Oriana Fallaci.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    Muslim are a a problem, if we want to realize and say that at loud or not doest change a thing, the case in Europe, countries like France, Sweden, UK, Germany is particulary sad and tragic, the tragedies that sucedded were all very previsible, I recomend to read the late Oriana Fallaci.
    I've never thought about it till now, but I'd guess that the Muslim population in South American countries would be pretty small. Is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    I've never thought about it till now, but I'd guess that the Muslim population in South American countries would be pretty small. Is it?
    Is small and they never put the religion in front of the nationality, in Europe is completely otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    Is small and they never put the religion in front of the nationality, in Europe is completely otherwise.
    Maybe it has something to do with South America being part of the New World, which was settled mainly by the Spanish and Portuguese not, in historical time, all that long after the Moors / Muslims were expelled from the Iberian Peninsula, so that there was a fresh start in South America.

    It's interesting to look at maps of Europe to see how far Islam penetrated in Spain, France, and the Balkans, getting towards the borders of what is now Austria, and how long it lasted under the Ottoman Empire. The current mass migrations are less warlike, but perhaps just another step in the endless ebb and flow of peoples across the Mediterranean and through Turkey.
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    How did this thread switch onto Islam ? In any event, expulsions or not, it was less than likely the Muslims (or suspected "closet Muslims") would have featured much in Spanish or Portuguese emigration to the New World. These were, from the start, conceived as Christian, Catholic Castilian/Portuguese enterprises, and the respective Spanish and Portuguese Inquisitions, very active in the New World, would have been effective in eliminating those who fell through the cracks. Mass migrations of the sort we are now experiencing are not that uncommon in early history. A good example, in fact, is the "Islamic conquest" of the 7th to 8th century. This was triggered, in part, by an episode of climate change, in which the Arabian peninsula became a lot more hostile to human occupation. Islam supplied the zeal; necessity enforced the movement.

    As regards today's migration - this may be less warlike, but it is still troubling. The "Islamic conquest" of the 7th and 8th centuries, allied to the movement of Islamic converts from the Caucasus and from North Africa, effectively destroyed Roman/Byzantine civilization through a large part of the Middle East and North Africa, not to mention the Christian civilization of Visigothic Spain. The fact that the current migration is, generally, non-violent does not mean that it could cause serious damage to current "European civilization", not least because the latter is pretty fragile at the moment. Short of a level of ruthlessness - and competence - unlikely to be displayed by our current leaders, considerable damage may be unavoidable. In any event, I shall probably be in my urn before the full consequences manifest themselves ... Yours from the Lentil Factory, JR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JR* View Post
    How did this thread switch onto Islam ?
    I blame Donald Duck.

    Sorry, j'accuse the less amusing cartoon character known as Donald Trump.

    Anyway, so far this thread is limited to Muslims.

    There's the other M word: Mexicans.

    And, should he be elected by a sufficient number of his lunatic countrymen, the other M word.

    Mayhem, in popular usage, but more like riot.
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    Speaking of Mexicans - I recall somebody in the States doing an amusing movie some years ago based on the idea that all the Gringos and Brothers in California wake up one morning ... and all the Mexicans have vanished. Total chaos ensues, as oranges and grapes are not picked, lawns are not mowed, houses are not cleaned, roofs are not repaired ... This is actually not just a humorous caprice; it is a realistic indication of what would actually happen if all the Mexicans (even just all the illegals) suddenly went home, leaving the "native" Americans to do their own less desirable work. This may seem a bit remote to the "Holy rollers" of Iowa; but the US economy is significantly dependent on the availability of Hispanic labor, and not just in California. Do simplistic, populist, nonsensical solutions to the problem of illegal immigration really "sell" on the US political circuit ? Apparently, it does ... Yours from the Big Fence, JR.

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    Ah - now I get it ! The Donald wants to restore some grand traditions of US politics, such as the practice of holding "Donnybrook Fair"-style riots around political conferences. I am just old enough to remember the late-'60s. Call in the National Guard. Triple tear gas all round ... JR.

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    I think illusionist, libertarian, Hillary Clinton adversary, and TV personality Penn Jillette is sort of where I am on Trump:

    Why Penn Jillette Is Terrified of a President Trump
    By Grant Burningham On 3/1/16 at 12:50 PM
    If his reaction to Donald Trump has been any guide, comedian Penn Jillette puts a lot of effort into trying to see people's good side. Perhaps that’s why the staunch libertarian—who appeared on Celebrity Apprentice, the GOP front-runner’s reality TV series—counts himself friends with a diverse group that includes Glenn Beck and MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell.

    It’s not that the comic and magician can’t be caustic, or even brutal. He once made an on-air joke calling Hillary Clinton a bitch in 2008. And you definitely wouldn’t want to be on his wrong side during an episode of his former series Bullshit! on Showtime. However, Jillette’s tendency to try to find some common ground with people in power—though the Clintons seem to be an exception—is probably why he had nice things to say about Trump, albeit with some straining, when he joined Celebrity Apprentice in 2011. But not anymore.

    “The problem is, I know Trump, so my optimism has been squashed like a baby bird,” he tells Newsweek.

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    Penn Jillette has been frank about Donald Trump, but now he's worried. Mario Anzuoni/Reuters

    Even now, Jillette says he’s pretty sure he liked Trump more than anyone else who has been on the show. Several of his co-stars “absolutely loathed him,” he says.

    Jillette appeared on two seasons on Celebrity Apprentice, including one in which Trump fired him because “he didn’t like me,” Jillette says, “and I thought that was completely fair, because he decides.” The two were frank, Jillette says. “Everything bad I had to say about him, I said to his face.” And Jillette kept on saying what nice things he could think of about the host. “I think he’s very good, very compelling on that show,” he says.

    The mostly decent rapport changed—publicly, anyway—when Trump the TV star became Trump the candidate. Jillette says he went on TV and said that while he liked Trump as a reality TV host and as a person, he disagreed with him profoundly on political issues. (And there was also the business of Jillette's joke that Trump’s hair looked like “cotton candy made of piss.” That comment seemed to sour the relationship permanently.)

    Soon Trump was tweeting that he thought Jillette’s Broadway show was terrible (or so he’d heard). It could have been just another celebrity Twitter beef, with the added weight of one participant being in the running to become the leader of the free world, but even then Jillette didn’t respond in kind.

    It’s also probably why he started this interview by saying everything nice he could about Trump. “I really like him because of his absence of filters. I really like the glimpse we get into the human heart we get when someone loses their filters,” he says approvingly. He quotes one of his longtime heroes, Thelonious Monk, who said, “A genius is the one most like himself.” “In a really weird way, Donald Trump has achieved that,” Jillette says, adding that the outspokenness is a trait held by Bob Dylan, another of Jillette’s heroes.

    “If he weren’t running for president, you’d be seeing essays from me about how much I learned from Donald Trump and how much I loved being on the show,” Jillette says.

    But that’s where the niceness stops.

    Like most of the country, Jillette says he’s now coming to terms with the fact that despite the pundit predictions and popular wisdom, there is a real possibility that Trump could be president. “It’s beyond my imagination,” he says.

    “I’m feeling so, so, so guilty, because I feel like, along with millions of other people, I played right into this. The cynicism of the Clintons, the careful, tightrope walk of all politicians, forced me, as an atheist, to get down on my knees and pray that someone would come along with some kind of authenticity,” Jillette says. “Well, someone called my bluff, goddamn it.”

    Jillette claims that Trump, Richard Nixon and Hillary Clinton are the only three politicians he's heard of who people like less after meeting.

    “The stuff [Trump] is saying on immigration, the stuff he saying on torture, the stuff he is saying on war, is absolutely unforgivable,” Jillette says. “He is coming out directly against the Statue of Liberty.”

    There’s also the issue of nuclear weapons. He notes that another presidential candidate, Ted Cruz, has joined Trump in promising to use them. “I’m a pure and utter peacenik. I want a president who sings the praises of people, sings the praises of peace and sings the praises of working together for a great country,” Jillette says.

    “Abraham Lincoln wouldn’t have laughed about waterboarding,” he adds.

    Jillette’s libertarian politics appeared occasionally on the topics he debunked for his skeptical show Bullshit! that appeared on Showtime from 2003 to 2010. He’s also occasionally been a commentator on cable networks, sometimes appearing on Beck’s program to blast Obama.

    And he’s never been shy about what he doesn’t like about the current president, which includes Obama’s use of drones, his perceived expansion of the federal government and his continued stance against legal marijuana. Which is why it’s such a shock to hear him say, “If you told me right now I could have another eight years of Obama, I would not hesitate to grab at it."

    “He is unquestionably good and unquestionably smarter than I am, which is putting the bar pretty low. I want a president that is kinder, smarter and more measured than me," he says.

    “My friend Christopher Hitchens wrote a book called No One Left to Lie To about the Clintons,” Jillette says. “I have written and spoken and joked with friends the meanest, cruelest, most hateful things that could ever been said by me, have been said about the Clintons. I loathe them. I disagree with Hillary Clinton on just about everything there is to disagree with a person about. If it comes down to Trump and Hillary, I will put a Hillary Clinton sticker on my ****ing car.”

    But he says he hopes the race will turn out well enough that he feels safe casting his vote for Gary Johnson, who is running on the libertarian ticket, and who he believes is the best choice.

    He’s also taking what positives he can find from the 2016 campaign. He says that Jeb Bush’s belly flop as a presidential candidate shows that Citizen’s United, the Supreme Court case that opened the door to well-funded super PACs, didn’t decide the outcome of elections. Bush was a candidate with huge money backing who couldn't buy his way into office.

    Jillette also says Trump has proved that the American people appreciate someone speaking openly. “Someone who is paying attention can do the same thing that Trump is doing with hate, and do it with love, and become president,” he says. “That’s kind of beautiful. There’s nothing more optimistic than that.”

    And as for Trump, Jillette says there’s still a chance that tides could turn for the seemingly unstoppable real estate scion turned reality TV star.

    “Donald Trump does, when it comes right down to it, **** up everything,” he says. “He ****s up his casinos. He ****s up his buildings.... Maybe he’ll **** up his campaign before he ****s up the country.”
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    I don't know the full count of Trump's committed delegates for the Convention at this stage - but it does look as if he has a very fair chance to come out as candidate. Not surprised that the Republican establishment is terrified by this. Owing to the late thinning out of the competition, it may be very difficult to head him off without a blatantly rigged Convention. Equally hard to see how he could beat Mrs Clinton in the General Election, in view of the many political constituencies he has pissed off. We shall see. JR.

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    As long as Mrs. Clinton is not under indictment, or information, she can if chosen as the Candidate, stand in the Election. As to her having sufficient voter backing to win, well, that's another story. People are beginning to see her true self now that the FBI, and the DOJ are seriously investigating her, and one of her staff has been granted immunity from prosecution in exchange for testimony. Her political future is becoming less certain with each passing week. This will be a very interesting year. (But not just for the U.S.)

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35828747

    I'll just leave that there...

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