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    I share with you some pictures of aircraft applied with camouflage called Barclay. A question, does this camouflage was used operationally or only a test? To see the photos, please visit the link below.


    http://aviacaoemfloripa.blogspot.com...s-barclay.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by pampa14 View Post
    I share with you some pictures of aircraft applied with camouflage called Barclay. A question, does this camouflage was used operationally or only a test? To see the photos, please visit the link below.


    http://aviacaoemfloripa.blogspot.com...s-barclay.html


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    I believe it would have only been used as a test. That sort of angular, "Dazzle camouflage" was all the rage for a while on surface ships and I think some naval and merchant marine vessels did use it operationally, but no USN/USMC planes that I've ever seen ever were coated while flying operationally AFAIK...

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    and it has a patent US 2190691 , whaddayaknow: http://www.google.com/patents/US2190691

    also at a War Thunder webpage:
    At Naval Air Station, North Island, California, 9 September 1940. It is painted in McClelland Barclay experimental camouflage design number 2.

    Some of Fighting Squadron Three's F2A-1s were experimentally painted in disruptive camouflage in mid-1940. These designs prepared by McClelland Barclay, a Naval Reserve officer and noted artist, were evaluated under operational conditions. The tests showed that pattern camouflage was of little if any use for Navy combat aircraft.

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    Default Re: An exotic and different camouflage

    Radar always seems to find even camo painted planes..

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    I'm no expert at this sort of thing, but according to the link "dazzle camouflage" was adopted in WWI with relatively little testing and was not designed to hide a ship but rather misdirect fire and confuse observers as to its speed and heading. It was used in WWII but I have no idea how effective it was or what the conclusions based on statistical studies/analytics were as to its value...

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    The Dazzle method was developed to prevent effective torpedo attacks by confusing attempts to estimate course, and speed, and aspect of the target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankgeezer View Post
    The Dazzle method was developed to prevent effective torpedo attacks by confusing attempts to estimate course, and speed, and aspect of the target.
    I believe it was 100% successful in preventing torpedo attacks on aircraft, and not just the type in the first post.
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    Indeed it was very useful at that, then when they tried it with Ships, it wasn't quite as good.

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    If they'd tried this "am I having an LSD hallucination" paint on ships, submarine commanders would have been spinning out on their periscopes.

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    Then there was this pretty exotic camouflage, or rather paint scheme, painted on a few of the M-46 Pershing/Patton tanks during Korea...

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    An effort to frighten the natives so I'm told, into thinking the Tank was some dark vengeful Spirit creature bent on their destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    If they'd tried this "am I having an LSD hallucination" paint on ships, submarine commanders would have been spinning out on their periscopes.

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    Looks like M.C. Escher at his work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankgeezer View Post
    An effort to frighten the natives so I'm told, into thinking the Tank was some dark vengeful Spirit creature bent on their destruction.
    Just an American tiger tank, with an inexplicably long and narrow nose. Military equivalent of 1960s Esso promotion of putting a tiger in your tank, so that people were supplied with fake tiger tails to hang out of their petrol filler holes, with no effect on the car's performance.

    The anti-tank gunners opposed to the garish M46 must have been rather pleased by its heightened visibility. The tank crews the reverse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    Just an American tiger tank, with an inexplicably long and narrow nose. Military equivalent of 1960s Esso promotion of putting a tiger in your tank, so that people were supplied with fake tiger tails to hang out of their petrol filler holes, with no effect on the car's performance.

    The anti-tank gunners opposed to the garish M46 must have been rather pleased by its heightened visibility. The tank crews the reverse.
    The scheme was based on some supposed superstitions that the Chinese PLA soldiers had regarding a fear of tigers; whether these "tigers" were supernatural or corporeal ones I am not sure and I doubt most PLA suffered any psychological terrors regarding the tiger face. They would have been much more worried about 90mm gun and .30/.50 cal. machine-guns. I think the scheme was largely specific to one or two offensives such as "Operation Ripper" in the later part of the war and I am guessing it was applied in no small part with the assumption that the Chinese PLA "Volunteers" had a sore lack of antitank weapons as well as tanks and tank destroyers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    Just an American tiger tank, with an inexplicably long and narrow nose. Military equivalent of 1960s Esso promotion of putting a tiger in your tank, so that people were supplied with fake tiger tails to hang out of their petrol filler holes, with no effect on the car's performance.

    The anti-tank gunners opposed to the garish M46 must have been rather pleased by its heightened visibility. The tank crews the reverse.
    I remember that ad campaign, it was fairly popular here. I totally agree that the paint job made it a very easy to engage target. In Germany, we had the figure of a Lion's head on the side of our Turrets, painted in red. Now that would make a great aiming point for the enemy, so the plan was to paint it over should we ever have to drop by, and meet the Soviet neighbors.
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