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    Default Re: New WWII Film 'Fury' Features Last Working Tiger

    That is your opinion,(to which you are certainly entitled) and as Nick said, History does not share it. Though it doubtless does not please your misplaced awe of the Reich to point this out, the easy 8's main gun had enough power to hole a Tiger with one hit, particularly from the flank, and especially from the back. At the initial engagement distance of 800 yds, a hit penetrating the frontal armor would not have been impossible, just not as likely. From the side, one hit would have ended the game for the Tiger, efficient, but not very spectacular. As far as watching a movie wherein the Germans do not lose, it'll have to be a movie about a war which they did not start, or participate in. I would recommend "Iron Sky" but it seems that they lose in that one as well. (but it's funny in spots, so you might like it anyway).
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    I know that this topic hasn't been used in a while, but...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqMXJF13q7g

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    Actually much more interesting than Fury, and just a tad more accurate, and believable. And as always, the Germans lose. Very enjoyable Churchill..
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    Default Re: New WWII Film 'Fury' Features Last Working Tiger

    That guy's videos are pretty good, a nice mix of stop motion and real-time video.

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    Default Re: New WWII Film 'Fury' Features Last Working Tiger

    Quote Originally Posted by gott m1t uns View Post
    American wishful thinking.

    Only air-strikes could take out the tigers...Unless an allied tank got very lucky!
    Old and banned but don't you just love these wehberoo's

    Who needs the 76mm -

    The first Tigers to be knocked out by the Western allies were with humble 6 pdrs - penetrations starting at 800yds to turret in Tunisia Jan 1943, later others fell to Churchills with 6 pdrs of 48 RTR and NiH with more knocked out by med and heavy artillery (In Tunisia). The 6 pdrs only had the standard APCBC as well, 48 RTR went on to knock out the first Panthers by the Western allies in May 1944 in Italy - still with those same 6pdr gunned Churchies and no fancy APDS.
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    Right, what Leccy said. I would add that after extensive study only about I think 6% of German armor knocked out could be attributed to air attack. It's just simply not easy to rocket a tank flying several hundred knots per hour despite enthusiastic pilot claims to the contrary. What should have been shown in Fury is the Shermans firing white phosphorous rounds blinding the Tiger before a grand flanking...

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    Default Re: New WWII Film 'Fury' Features Last Working Tiger

    Quote Originally Posted by gott m1t uns View Post
    American wishful thinking.

    Only air-strikes could take out the tigers...Unless an allied tank got very lucky!
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    BTW, my turret was not blown by an airstrike.....

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    Finally caught up with "Fury" on video a week ago. Interesting experience. I intend to watch it again soon. This movie is quite the "Curate's Egg" - good in parts. The scenario is a very familiar one - rookie joins hard-boiled crew, who eventually accept him. This scenario has featured in many war-type movies in the past. However, in my humble opinion, this was a superior version, connected with the great effort made by the producers at achieving a certain level of authenticity. This ran from the much-commented on good standard of accuracy in relation to equipment, vehicles, uniforms, weapons and so on to their effort to present the gritty, dirty, disgusting reality of the war for those fighting it. The amount of attention played to internal scenes in the lead tank is very unusual, and to a great extent revealing - although, nonetheless, it appeared slightly sanitized. As regards the acting - very good in my humble opinion, bearing in mind the obvious intention of showing soldiers who had spent a substantial period being battered, brutalized and reduced as broadly-focused human beings, relying for support on their small band of comrades. Brad Pitt's performance was particularly strong in this respect; this is one of his best performances for me.

    Now for the weaknesses. I mentioned "scenario" earlier, because this movie has no coherent plot. It is hard to say at any given time what the crew are doing, beyond the fact that they are fighting. I have to say that I am not wholly sure that this is really a "weakness". The lack of any broad picture to place their activities in context seems to have been very common for soldiers at this level in WW2. Was presenting this also an intentional aim of the producers ? I would need to think about this further.

    One very definite problem is the final section of the movie. Here, something resembling a plot kicks in from nowhere - not a good start. Worse, the whole situation presented is profoundly improbable - single tank sent off to protect non-combatant troops (who never appear) from nasty "elite" Waffen-SS unit threatening them. Where can I start ? So many improbabilities. The final battle is, in the manner of such things, entertaining, but is in itself riddled with improbabilities. One thing I would say - the matter of the crew's decision to hold on in their disabled tank is not wholly ridiculous. There are plenty examples of tank crew who held on in highly dangerous situations where they perceived that the situation required it. The problem here is that, within the ludicrous plot line guiding this part of the movie, this decision itself seems at least odd. But again, perhaps I misunderstand. The producers may have intended to present, not a rational decision to stand for a particular, rational reason, but rather a "last stand" scenario by soldiers so ... condensed by their experience of war that their only way our was collective self-immolation, even if this did not really make much sense at a time at which the war was about to end. Need to think further about this, also. Whatever is the case, it does not really excuse the generally ridiculous scenario/plot carrying this part of the movie.

    This no "Longest Day", no "Cross of Iron", no "Saving Private Ryan", at least in dramatic terms. However, it is still a very interesting movie on a number of levels. It is quite possible to argue that from a psychological viewpoint, it is at least as interesting, and more realistic, than "Private Ryan" which leaves itself open to accusation of trite "Middle Mind" thinking. The technical merits of the movie are obvious and, as a general presentation of war from the viewpoint of the "grunt" level of soldier that did the actual fighting, I do find it definitely thought-provoking.

    I shall certainly watch "Fury" again, soon. That, for me, is a compliment in itself. Best regards, JR.

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