Re: Islamic State of Mind.

Originally Posted by
JR*
God, yes - this Australian affair. It would be easy, in a world dominated (at least in the West) by liberal media to dismiss this as some sort of antipodean panic but ... I have to say that someone living in an area of Dublin with a substantial Muslim (Pakistani, Bengali) immigrant population, and two mosques within five minutes walk of me (the CIA has identified the one just around the corner as the most radical mosque in Ireland), and in spite of all my liberal conditioning, I find it hard to treat the matter so lightly. Not least because of the ample evidence that IS is perfectly willing to approve such actions ...
The current Australian allegations (allowing for the fact that our security agencies have form for being hopelessly incompetent in at least one previous grand capture - with much initial shameless and woefully wrong media propaganda from them - of a supposed terrorist) are, to me, less worrying than the eternal duplicity of significant elements of the local Muslim population. There has been far too much of the "I condemn them" public statements by Islamic leaders disproved by later contradictory statements to their own flock in their mosques and elsewhere.
Then again, perhaps it's not much different from the hostility and idiotic rumours about Catholics which were routinely propagated by the Protestant majority in my childhood here in the 1950s and teens in the 1960s. There comes a time when moronic assertions about tunnels between the presbytery and convent, and sacrificing infants on the altar in the dead of night, become somewhat tiresome. For a start, the priests were too busy fu*king the altar boys to dig tunnels to the convent. Meanwhile, the priests weren't slow to preach politics from the pulpit, and in private,
The difference is that many Muslims seem to work on the basis that they will align themselves with their sworn Muslim enemies (e.g. Sunni and Shia) against any perceived threat to any Muslim from outside. Which, of course, is entirely consistent with Islam.
What these fu*kwits fail to admit, or are incapable of recognising due to terminal stupidity clouded by unfounded paranoia, is that, in their tedious moaning about the West and infidels / kaffirs oppressing Muslims, the vast bulk of Muslims oppressed and killed are oppressed and killed by other Muslims. Such as ISIL carving a swathe of death and rape through the areas it takes. Not to mention other events like the Iran / Iraq War.
There is another interpretation of these movements, which is that Islam is peripheral to quests for power, much as communism was peripheral to quests for power in various, essentially nationalistic, movements in South East Asia and South America in the latter part of the 20th century, all resolutely and ignorantly opposed by the US and its allies to their cost.
Perhaps the real problem is the sense of oppression and exploitation by local and Western interests which energises the likes of ISIL, or at least some of their less rabid supporters. Perhaps if these issues were addressed and resolved it might be more productive, and more rapidly so, than just killing people.
Even if that is a partial solution, the biggest obstacle is the regimes which exist in Muslim nations. They are, without exception, oppressive and exploitative.
Which has nothing to do with the West, except to the extent that that West exploits those nations through those regimes for the West's benefit.
But the fact remains that the problems are in Muslim nations.
And, alas, the Arab Spring seems generally only to have made them worse.
Last edited by Rising Sun*; 09-19-2014 at 08:55 AM.
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