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    Quote Originally Posted by JR* View Post
    It now appears that IRIS - or whatever Saudi-backed entity centred on IRIS but including an undetermined number of Iraqi Sunni volunteers - control a substantial amount of territory stretching across northern Iraq and Syria. Whether they know how to consolidate this sprawl into something like a state remains to be seen. Even a Caliphate needs an administration - and being good at murdering individual enemies and bean-counting may not be enough. Still, a very disturbing prospect - and I would not be so sanguine as President Obama seems to be about the imminence of resulting threats to western countries. If the "Caliphate" can get a grip on its current territorial spread, the new entity could make Afghanistan at its worst look like a kiddies' tea party.
    There is an element of "Nature abhors a vacuum" in this.

    The Iraqi government is a fragmented joke incapable of resisting ISIS, as apparently are its armed forces.

    ISIS has had rapid and huge territorial gains.

    My money is on ISIS, unless the Iranians intervene with their full force.

    Be somewhat ironic if Iran cranked up its nuclear program to wipe out the Sunni ISIS and, to complete the job, the shifty Saudis who are behind so much of modern misery in the Islamic world and Islamicist assaults on the non-Islamic world. But, as usual, the US and Britain and others back the wrong horse, being the Saudis because they have oil so the US etc just prolong the pain until sooner or later someone in the west has the guts to confront and defeat the perfidious
    Saudis. Or the Saudis get their Caliphate.
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    Of course, in saying "Saudi-backed", one is overlooking another more-than-probable backer - tiny, insignificant-looking Qatar. This tiny Gulf emirate has been ruled by the al-Thani family for over 200 years (albeit, for much of this period, under British "protection"). For much of the last century, it was basically a kleptocracy, presided over by robber-emirs who devoted themselves to syphoning off the country's petroleum revenues into Swiss bank accounts (consistent with the traditional occupation of their ancestors - piracy). On the accession of Emir Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani in 1995 (he deposed his kleptocrat father), this enormous source of revenue was diverted more in the direction of the economic development of the state. One of the first fruits of this to impact on the outside world was the creation of the Al-Jazeera news and media network, now a major one in world terms. More recently, another power shift within the al-Thani clan culminated in the abdication of Emir Hamad (consensually) and the succession of his son, Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani, in 2013. The latter seems set to continue his father's policies but, it would appear, with a more "outward-looking" profile.

    The slow reconfiguring of Qatar's policy towards the outside world as the younger al-Thanis became prominent has become evident in a number of ways over the last few years. One of the more harmless is the impact on thoroughbred horse-racing, at least in Europe. Former Emir Hamad seems to have been a pretty traditional Wahhabi Muslim whose interest in sports was confined to the bread-and-circuses level (promoting football, Qataris' favourite sport, and other native favourites such as motor racing and cycling). Unlike the situation in close neighbor, Dubai, horseracing is not, as far as I know, present in Qatar (although this may change). In the last couple of years, however, we have seen a major increase in Qatari/al-Thani ownership of racehorses training in England in particular and - pretty well unprecedented - the presence of smiling al-Thani princes at British and Irish racecourses. Their effect on the market in thoroughbreds first became strongly marked in recent sales, driving up prices in much the same way as Dubai's al-Maktoums did when they arrived on the scene in the 1980s. As with the al-Maktoums, one may assume that a substantial breeding operation will follow.

    Less benign, perhaps, is the increased support afforded by Qatar to foreign "liberation movements" - specifically, Sunni Muslim insurgencies and risings from Libya to Egypt and now, it appears, to the ISIS Caliphists. Apart from its fabulous hydrocarbon-based wealth, one reason why Qatar has been very stable, socially and politically, through all the travails of the Middle East is that, in religious terms, it is overwhelmingly Sunni Muslim, of the Wahhabi cast (like Saudi Arabia). As with Saudi, the Qatar regime sees no contradiction between being a firm ally and supporter of the United States and supporting movements like the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, fringe Libyan Islamic militias, and the likes of ISIS, which may not be quite so positive on matters American. While one cannot envisage the arrival of a contingent from the tiny Qatari defence force outside Baghdad, the application of a portion of Qatar's truly fabulous oil wealth to the cause of militant Sunni Islam must be important in keeping the jihadis well-armed, fed and advised. I have little doubt that the US State Department are working behind the scenes to limit this - but they do not seem to have had much success in this regard as far as the Saudis are concerned ... Yours from the Dungeons of Doha, JR.
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    JR,

    From what you say about Qatar, which is vastly better informed than me, it seems like the problem (i.e. funding of Sunni and other radical Islamicists) might be a more generalised problem of rich Wahhabis fomenting their sort of revolution outside their comfortable oil rich and nominally Western favourable enclaves.

    My knowledge was limited to the duplicitous Saudi Wahhabis being the problem.

    I think I've posted along these lines previously (I'm not given to a lot of original thoughts) but if the West took the same ruthless approach these bastards apply, we'd give them an ultimatum to cease and desist by a set date or see Medina first as the second holiest Sunni place and, if problems continue then Mecca, obliterated.

    Ideally, I'd start my graduated response with a threat to obliterate the third holiest place, being the Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, with a rather large nuclear weapon, which would encourage a number of other troublemakers of various religions in that region to get their act together. And if they don't, at least we'd be done with any issues of occupation by anyone in that area for a while.

    Alas, I'm not the boss of the world, so nothing will change while Western politicians and diplomats practise their weak kneed crafts in the face of people who don't waste their time on such drivel, wisely preferring instead to conquer by force without wasting their time on weak kneed politics and diplomacy. Not unlike the Israelis with their land grabs, confident that the West upon which they rely for much of their existence will continue the same impotent policy towards them that it applies to the Islamicists nibbling away in Iraq and elsewhere.
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    Montesquieu

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    Reference to year zero is not a bad one. No tolerance with these savages.
    The Cambodian company that made up paret of the CIDG strike force in my camp wanted to go back to Cambodia and kill Sihanouk.
    When the camp was turned over to ARVNs in 1971, they were paid off, given some equipment and turned loose. Story I recently got from a Cambodian aquaintence, is they joined up with Pol Pot's boys.
    After a short time, they were deemed "too Vietnamised" and were murdered en masse at a phony celebration.

    We went into Iraq and attempted to introduce by force an alien form of government on a bunch of tribalists rooted firmly in the last eon.

    Nobody with any sense expected it to work and walking out cold did nothing to help.

    The Kurds seem to be the most respectable of the bunch, but so far outnumbered as to be insignificant.

    I had a friend many years ago who used to bore us to tears ranting about the future of the mideast and how it would come to affect us.
    He is proving to be right in every area.
    Afghanistan following right in line.

    Growing Sharia outside the area is no small deal, either.

    Our government in the US is doing all it can to promote this debacle.
    Trouble ahead.

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