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    I bought a book about the BATTLE OF STALINGRAD in pictures day by day with the documentation. According to this book the Russians suffered
    400,000 casualties vs 300,000 for the Germans[ don't quote me but it may have been Soviets 400,000 killed vs 300,000 Germans killed]. General
    Chiukov commanded the Russian troops in the city with their backs against the Volga River and no retreat.
    The total US ARMED FORCES killed in ww 2 was about 400,000. I don't know if that includes Merchant Mariners lost at sea.

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    The battle of Stalingrad was a very bloody and epic struggle for both sides http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad.

    Gusord,

    If you would please post the name of the book and your thoughts on it, I'm always looking for something good to read.

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    I thought Beevor's work on the subject was pretty good...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I thought Beevor's work on the subject was pretty good...
    i don't think so. Beevor has already told enough lies to be not trusted as a writer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stalin View Post
    i don't think so. Beevor has already told enough lies to be not trusted as a writer.
    Oh of course! That evil Beevor, that manages to piss off both the Russians and Germans at the same time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Oh of course! That evil Beevor, that manages to piss off both the Russians and Germans at the same time...
    because he is British and was told to white wash the Brits while tarnish Russians and Germans, right?

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    Nick - I agree. Beevor is pretty good. Beevor is always worth taking seriously - not that I would necessarily agree with him on everything ... Best regards, JR.

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    Thanks for the input Nick and JR,

    I'll check on amazon and pickup a copy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JR* View Post
    Nick - I agree. Beevor is pretty good. Beevor is always worth taking seriously - not that I would necessarily agree with him on everything ... Best regards, JR.
    Hello JR.
    Beevour is more romancer and novelist rather then a historian..
    Not to mention ..the propogandist. Like it is coming up obvious in his "Berlin1945.Downfall"

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    Well all I know is that its the turning point in the war for the Russians

    Life is short... We should then cherish every sec of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilroy View Post
    Well all I know is that its the turning point in the war for the Russians
    not only for the Soviets. Stalingrad was the biggest and the most decisive battle of WWII and all times that turned the tide of the war, after which the West saw clearly which side was to be the winner and made its choice between the two by joining the USSR in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stalin View Post
    Stalingrad was the biggest and the most decisive battle of WWII and all times that turned the tide of the war
    Really?

    Where would the USSR have been without the Battle of Britain, which stopped Germany invading Britain and allowed Britain and its Commonwealth to fight on alone in the world until the USSR was forced into the war by Germany's attack in mid-1941?

    Imagine what would have happened to the USSR if Britain had been defeated and the German forces it held against it in western Europe and the Mediterranean and the Atlantic to mid-1941 had been released for the assault on the USSR.

    Not to mention the material and materiel support which came to the USSR from Britain and from America based through Britain to the USSR after the USSR was forced into the war.

    Around the same time Britain was busy evacuating its army from France so it could continue its lone fight with its Commonwealth against Germany, the USSR after carving up eastern Europe with Germany was busy massacring 20,000 or so Polish soldiers at Katyn.

    Shortly afterwards Britain defeated Germany in the Battle of Britain, which held German forces against Britain in various theatres.

    This allowed the USSR to avoid fighting Germany, which was a very good idea as Stalin, with the rare brilliance of paranoid dictators, had wiped out much of the senior ranks of the Soviet officer corps in his memorably stupid purges and thereby left his army deficient in leadership capable of matching the Germans.

    Quote Originally Posted by stalin View Post
    after which the West saw clearly which side was to be the winner and made its choice between the two by joining the USSR in the end.
    Other way around.

    As leccy said,

    Either you're a troll or, politely, ignorant of history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    Really?
    really, the numbers show that Moscow, Kursk and Stalingrad were the largest battles of WWII.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    Where would the USSR have been without the Battle of Britain
    just there where it had been... and to call a military operation 'battle' it takes sufficient amount of infantry to be involved in it; so how many Nazi Germany soldiers were destroyed by the British alone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stalin View Post
    really, the numbers show that Moscow, Kursk and Stalingrad were the largest battles of WWII.
    Largest battle judged by numbers of troops involved doesn't necessarily equate to most important in an overall strategic sense.


    Quote Originally Posted by stalin View Post
    just there where it had been... and to call a military operation 'battle' it takes sufficient amount of infantry to be involved in it
    "Battle" is a fluid term in popular and often military usage and in describing elements of an armed conflict.

    The way you want to use it results, for example, in the Battle of Britain in the air and the Battle of the Atlantic and the pivotal Battle of Midway on the sea not happening because they didn't involve infantry.

    As for Kursk, it was in conventional land warfare terms an operation involving a series of battles, not, as you say, an operation which was a battle. Battles can occur in various circumstances in land warfare but so far as operations are concerned they are usually part of an operation rather than the entire operation.


    Quote Originally Posted by stalin View Post
    ; so how many Nazi Germany soldiers were destroyed by the British alone?
    A. The figure is irrelevant because
    B. British Commonwealth forces were the only ones fighting Germany after France surrendered (and the USSR was busy oppressing eastern Europe) which
    C. Resulted in significant strategic damage to Germany in the Atlantic and Mediterranean on water and in North Africa on land which
    D. Kept the Suez Canal under Allied control which was critical to the war against Japan and
    E. Reduced the forces available for Barbarossa and in particular
    F. The British Commonwealth campaign in Greece and Crete, although a failure, delayed Barbarossa by about six weeks, which delay was critical by the time the Germans reached Moscow too late to endure the winter which
    G. Was lucky for the USSR as if Britain had capitulated when France did, then Hitler would have turned all his forces on his main aim of conquering the USSR and, in the unlikely event your ancestors survived, you'd be speaking German now.

    Body counts don't mean much by themselves, as the Americans and South Vietnamese demonstrated over many years in Vietnam with triumphant, and frequently woefully inaccurate, body counts against an enemy which duly won.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gusord View Post
    I bought a book about the BATTLE OF STALINGRAD in pictures day by day with the documentation. According to this book the Russians suffered
    400,000 casualties vs 300,000 for the Germans[ don't quote me but it may have been Soviets 400,000 killed vs 300,000 Germans killed]. General
    Chiukov commanded the Russian troops in the city with their backs against the Volga River and no retreat.
    The total US ARMED FORCES killed in ww 2 was about 400,000. I don't know if that includes Merchant Mariners lost at sea.

    gusord
    Hellow gusorb.
    The figure of total soviet loses of battle of Stalingrad is close to 1.2 millions with up to 480 000 KIA. The Wermacht and it's allies lost 841 000 totally with 230 000 POWs. But most of axis POWs died of debilitation witin the first year of captivity.

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