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    My first post, can anyone tell me what round/bullet this is, it has stamped on it SL 42, and was found around where I live, thank you, and I can try out how to a post photo, hope it comes out OK.

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    Hi Chunky, and welcome! If the measure tape is in both inches, and Metric, going by the upper scale, you have a cartridge for the Browning M-2 .50 caliber MG. The headstamp SL 42 is that of the St. Louis Ordnance Plant in Missouri, the "42" is the year of production. The St. Louis facility was a division of Western Cartridge company, and also produced the .30 cal rifle cartridge (30-06) and war production for both of these cartridges at S.L. totaled some 6.7 Billion rounds. There were about 13 other Companies also producing this cartridge during the War. (It was very popular)
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    If I may ask, on what part of earth do you live, that you would find this?
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    That would be the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankgeezer View Post
    Hi Chunky, and welcome! If the measure tape is in both inches, and Metric, going by the upper scale, you have a cartridge for the Browning M-2 .50 caliber MG. The headstamp SL 42 is that of the St. Louis Ordnance Plant in Missouri, the "42" is the year of production. The St. Louis facility was a division of Western Cartridge company, and also produced the .30 cal rifle cartridge (30-06) and war production for both of these cartridges at S.L. totaled some 6.7 Billion rounds. There were about 13 other Companies also producing this cartridge during the War. (It was very popular)
    Thank you for the welcome tankgeeze, and for your information, this was picked up many years ago, around where I live, going by you info, it could well have been left by the American soldiers who were stationed here, and did their training, prior to D-Day, many of them to perish at Omaha Beach and Utah Beach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    That would be the UK.
    Uh-oh. If that's as you found that, then I'd suggest checking the law very rapidly and probably getting shot of it. They tend to throw the book at people in possession of firearms and/or ammunition over here, even if they're just collecting old WW2 stuff. If it's deactivated you're probably OK though, but I'm not sure...
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    Quote Originally Posted by navyson View Post
    If I may ask, on what part of earth do you live, that you would find this?
    Hi navyson, no problem in asking, I'll give you a clue, "rugby"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    That would be the UK.
    Hi Nickfresh, I think so

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    Uh-oh. If that's as you found that, then I'd suggest checking the law very rapidly and probably getting shot of it. They tend to throw the book at people in possession of firearms and/or ammunition over here, even if they're just collecting old WW2 stuff. If it's deactivated you're probably OK though, but I'm not sure...

    Thanks for letting me know, yes, you always got to be care-full with ammo, this one has a hole where the firing pin strikes, and the actual bullet is loose, and the case is broken, I don't know about being a deact, would they have deact certificate's for rounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chunky View Post
    Uh-oh. If that's as you found that, then I'd suggest checking the law very rapidly and probably getting shot of it. They tend to throw the book at people in possession of firearms and/or ammunition over here, even if they're just collecting old WW2 stuff. If it's deactivated you're probably OK though, but I'm not sure...

    Thanks for letting me know, yes, you always got to be care-full with ammo, this one has a hole where the firing pin strikes, and the actual bullet is loose, and the case is broken, I don't know about being a deact, would they have deact certificate's for rounds.
    If you can wiggle the bullet out, dump any powder there may be inside. The lawn is a good place, powder makes a good fertilizer, sprinkle it around. You say there is a hole in the case head, do you mean that there is no primer at all? If no primer, and no powder, it may be easier for you to keep it. I will caution you about the bullet, as most all service .50 BMG bullets were both armor piercing, and incendiary. This being a small charge of flash powder in the tip of the jacket in front of the penetrator. If anything at all,the only thing to indicate its presence, is some paint on the tip of the bullet(colors vary) this could easily disappear over time in the ground. Someone here may know for sure if the bullets of that time had the incendiary charge. The pic is of a case with no primer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chunky View Post
    Thanks for letting me know, yes, you always got to be care-full with ammo, this one has a hole where the firing pin strikes, and the actual bullet is loose, and the case is broken, I don't know about being a deact, would they have deact certificate's for rounds.
    Sounds to me like it's actually a fired case plus a loose bullet (possibly also fired - any rifling marks?). If so, then it clearly isn't a round of ammunition and the police won't be interested. At least that would be my story and I'd be sticking to it
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdf27 View Post
    Sounds to me like it's actually a fired case plus a loose bullet (possibly also fired - any rifling marks?). If so, then it clearly isn't a round of ammunition and the police won't be interested. At least that would be my story and I'd be sticking to it
    Cant see any rifling marks, probably a dropped round that's been broken?, don't know if the American round had cordite or black powder, photo of some of my 303, training rounds, just posted, and the photo comes out small?, the charge on the left have wooden bullets, the other have holes drilled into cases.



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    Quote Originally Posted by tankgeezer View Post
    If you can wiggle the bullet out, dump any powder there may be inside. The lawn is a good place, powder makes a good fertilizer, sprinkle it around. You say there is a hole in the case head, do you mean that there is no primer at all? If no primer, and no powder, it may be easier for you to keep it. I will caution you about the bullet, as most all service .50 BMG bullets were both armor piercing, and incendiary. This being a small charge of flash powder in the tip of the jacket in front of the penetrator. If anything at all,the only thing to indicate its presence, is some paint on the tip of the bullet(colors vary) this could easily disappear over time in the ground. Someone here may know for sure if the bullets of that time had the incendiary charge. The pic is of a case with no primer.
    Thank you for your help, The bullet can fall inside the shell, and with a pull, can come out, are you saying then, do not touch the bullet, has it may have incendiary powder still left on it, if I had to say a colour, it would be copper/brass.

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    It may well be just plain ball ammo, I did some looking, and ball ammo was manufactured for some uses. If it were an incendiary round, it would take a purposeful hammer blow to set it off. (no fusing, just an impact thing) So as long as you don't go beating on it it should be fine. Propellant powders for the .50 were of the typical smokeless types, some of which can still be purchased today for hand loading one's own .50 BMG ammo. No Cordite, or Black Powder was used. Cordite could be used, it was used in the .55 cal. Boys Rifle ammo. (one can use 50 BMG cases in a Boys, if they are necked up to .55 from .51 ) Black powder would not produce enough pressure, and quickly foul the gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chunky View Post
    Hi navyson, no problem in asking, I'll give you a clue, "rugby"
    Hi Chunky! Just curious, flamethrowerguy is from Germany, and they find all kinds of stuff over there. Even 500-1000 lb. bombs!
    P.S. Nickdfresh gave it away!
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