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    Quote Originally Posted by JR* View Post
    The truthis that, in the light of the needs of the moment, there is little space for sentiment in such matters. Best regards, JR.
    More than I'd like. If we were completely dispassionate the Guards and some of the skirt-wearing Fijian battalions would have long since seen bugger reductions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JR* View Post
    As regards the restructuring/downsizing/renaming of historic units - nothing at all unusual in this. In the US Military, the "Fighting 69th"/165 Infantry Regiment of Civil War and subsequent fame has undergone a bewildering succession of reclassifications, upgrades, downgrades and reclassifications over the years, depending on the requirements of the moment. In the British Army, the practice of downgrading, reclassifying and amalgamating historic regiments has been in place for many years; another major round of "economies", to result in a further round of such changes, is under way at the moment. At least, I suppose, the Brits try to preserve the names of historic units, where possible. The truthis that, in the light of the needs of the moment, there is little space for sentiment in such matters. Best regards, JR.
    I don't recall the exact numbering scheme but it should be noted that according to the prewar U.S. Army's traditional organizational planning, the 101st shouldn't even exist as an active division as all active duty divisions are in the lower numbers (such as "The Big Red One") and U.S. Army National Guard divisions were next (the "Fighting 69th" is a USNG for New York IIRC). The higher score division numbers were reserved for "U.S." divisions of a fully mobilizing army that would be created, then demobbed once hostilities were over. Of course, the storied histories of some units and the Army's public relations needs changed that after WWII...

    *The Fighting 69th is actually a regiment, not a division. The New York Nat'l Guard division is the 42d ID...
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    Thinking about it, it would be illuminating to compare the rate of growth of the Home Guard to that of the US Army in the same time period. I would not be surprised to find the former growing faster.
    I wouldn't be surprised, either. But the U.S. instituted the first peacetime conscription in 1940 in reaction to the Fall of France and was not at war yet. Its expansion heralded the largely hidden planning for instituting a centralized wartime economy and they had similar problems with the British Army/Territorial Army with scrounging up enough weapons for an army that went from about 180,000 (after already conducting some very limited expansions) to over a million men. There was also no point in drafting troops for bombers that weren't built yet and for tanks that weren't even on the drawing board yet. I forget the numbers, but the Army rejected a high proportion of military aged men because of the lingering effects of poverty from the Depression and lack of educational standards. I'd have to check but I think the rejection rate was close to 50% and it caused a bit of consternation...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdf27 View Post
    If we were completely dispassionate the Guards and some of the skirt-wearing Fijian battalions would have long since seen bugger reductions.
    Well, buggery has long been a popular pastime in the Guards, but I don't know that one can assume that wearing skirts necessarily leads to the same conduct.

    Then again, Greek soldiers wear skirts so maybe .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    Well, buggery has long been a popular pastime in the Guards, but I don't know that one can assume that wearing skirts necessarily leads to the same conduct.

    Then again, Greek soldiers wear skirts so maybe .....
    That and 3 Para Mortars... Come to think of it, the Paras seem to be immune to cuts too - the Gay Mafia at work?

    Seriously, that's what comes of typing one-handed...
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