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    it is necessary to know that the tank transported here was the M11/39 whose weight didn't pass 9 tons, what explains why those were transported here by truck.
    Actually, the tank in the Bir Hacheim newsreel is an M 13/40, not an M 11/39. The Italian tanks were all light enough to transport via truck.

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    This is particular are extracts of 1938 documentary called "Armi della Fanteria", weapons of the infantry, it has 2003 comments (voiceover), aniway all the footage is of pre-war that period, two parts. In this you can see the 7.35mm carcano rifle, but that was rarely used in ww2, most rifles were 6.5mm.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=de8_1425233725

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=398_1425693292

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Maybe they'd shoot the camera crew?
    Amazing film!
    At first I thought it was an enacted film or a training (camera at pretty high elevation, stable no shocks (on tripod)), but then you get to see the first 2 italian victims (and these were not enacted!..still despite close by explosions, camera keeps rolling*)..the attack with the 2 flamethrowers seemed like training (aiming above the ground and not IN the supposed british MG pit) and the advancing two men walk pretty visible above ground, whereas they could throw grenades in the pit from that distance, but then you see a british helmet (with "something" but not a skull) flying in the air and the two british (or italian actors?) laying on the ground with already their tommy helmets covering their faces (and NO breathing and sand washed against their legs = been there a while or sand/ash from artillery shell explosion) .
    I have seen nazi propaganda films and british newsreel films in wartime which more clearly showed the reenactment (especially that it doesNOT show your own men "falling" by enemy fire).
    If this is reenactment then their quality is 10x better than anything seen before; hence I say real-"ish".

    * you would think that Robert Capa is the only or first one to be brave enough to film in the heat of battle, but who or what is to say that no other did the same (but did not last that long and/or his film is not of independent reporter newspaper).
    Maybe this filmer was a "noob" from the italian propaganda film academy and thought he can shoot film this way...only to learn soon, that that is not too bright **?
    It takes only one or two occasions to learn...but the film IS shot and kept...so you can't discard it as being fully set-up/staged immediately.

    ** most of veterans underline that most of the time they see no fighting action at-all !! A big fight may occur only 2 miles west of you and get described in history books, but you didnot get anything of it.
    So , likewise, the camera man joining the engineers troop (in a small tentative patrol attack on a single MG..therefore no deep incursion, therefore no full gear on their backs) may be in an area without further bullets whizzing through the air than that of the single british MG pit. WHich may have been suppressed by italian fire from elsewhere and manned by not Island Britons or Free French but men from India ?
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    Loading and firing the monster 15 inch triple turrets in the battleship "Littorio"

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a9f_1...927&comments=1

    Notice the gauge of that conning tower doors.... ...that was a real steel time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    Loading and firing the monster 15 inch triple turrets in the battleship "Littorio"

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    Awesome Sharp images!

    So much automation in the shell handling and firing. Surprising to still see a ship's mate in the gun turret next to the barrel seconds before it gets fired (and no big earcovers?).

    And how can they be so casually precise about the angle of attack and elevation ?
    speed exactly 30 knots and 25 knots. wind exactly 20 (what ? which direction ?) distance exactly 37 kms to 33 kms.sail angle exactly 20 degrees. elevation exactly 45 degrees.
    Wow..those electronic indicators know how to aim at rounded numbers.



    at wiki I noticed this on the Littorio:
    On 5 February 1947, Italia (=Littorio after armistice in 1943) was finally permitted to return to Italy. In the Treaty of Peace with Italy, signed five days later on 10 February, Italia was allocated as a war prize to the United States.

    Why war prize still at that stage and time 1947 ! ?
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    There were several sistem to obtain data, wind numbers was give by anemometers, range is calculated by the Galileo giroscopically stabilized stereoscopical rangefinder, etc, etc, all that was introduced in the big predictor wich was not "Electronic" but electromechanic calculator.

    Italians also had Radar but it wasnt very reliable at this stage of the war (1941)

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    Ground strafing with the Macchi mc202 Folgore (Thunderbolt)

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