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    Damn,where this world roll?
    I was just peacefully sitting and reading wiki this evening- and suddenly, BANG..
    Sexual slavery in Poland
    While mass rapes were committed by German forces on Jewish women and girls, beginning with the Invasion of Poland in September 1939 they were also committed en masse against non-Jewish Polish women and girls, including during mass executions of ethnic Polish citizens, when rapes were carried-out before shooting the women. Additionally, large numbers of Polish women were captured with the aim of forcing them into serving in German military brothels. Mass raids were reported, made by Nazi forces in Polish cities with the express aim of capturing young women, who later were forced to work in brothels attended by German soldiers and officers. Girls as young as 15 years old, who were ostensibly classified as "suitable for agricultural work in Germany", were forced to work as prostitutes for German soldiers at their place of destination.
    I want to ask you ALL?WTF?
    Like most of people i was sure that German army was most disciplined army of the war.No mass rapings no any other violation and violence except caused by the criminal orders of command.How this happend , non of us , told about mass rapings and child prostitutes in Poland?I swear, nothing heard about this.Shame for me..
    One of two: either somebody re-write the history faster than we can adopt ( begin with a WIKI) , or there is exist the sort of conspiracy in our forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    Like most of people i was sure that German army was most disciplined army of the war.No mass rapings no any other violation and violence except caused by the criminal orders of command.
    To my knowledge, Sander and Johr (two authors who popularized number of 2M raped by RKKA in Germany) estimated in the same work the number of rapes by Wehrmacht in USSR at 10 million.

    I honestly doubt both of the estimates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egorka View Post
    To my knowledge, Sander and Johr (two authors who popularized number of 2M raped by RKKA in Germany) estimated in the same work the number of rapes by Wehrmacht in USSR at 10 million.
    I'm puzzled why such a theme as wermacht rapings is almost totally ignored in historical scholarship , although its quite bold mentioned in Wiki?!!

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    I am not sure it is ignored completely.
    F.ex. German documentary "Frauen als Beute - Wehrmacht und Prostitution"

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    I suspect it's a reflection of how bad the other crimes of the German armed forces were - if you have say 10 million murders and 5 million rapes, which is going to get most of the attention?
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    Even the most disciplined army will revert to barbarism when the people around them are classed as sub-human, given the extent of other activities such as genocide rape might not have been high on the punishment list after the war making it lesser known.

    I'm going to assume the situation was different in Western occupied countries, no mass rapes and forced prostitution or any where near the Eastern scale.

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    I do not want to get into an "their crimes were worse than ours" debate. So I'll just post this link which is about all sexual violence on the Eastern Front but does detail a scale of rape and sexual slavery very rarely alluded to on the German side. Please look at my other documents too you might find something interesting.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/89860120/V...g-World-War-II

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    Quote Originally Posted by downwithpeace View Post
    Even the most disciplined army will revert to barbarism when the people around them are classed as sub-human, given the extent of other activities such as genocide rape might not have been high on the punishment list after the war making it lesser known.
    Yes , of course , this behaviour fully might be determined by racial ideology's terms .What sense to count the raped sub-human , if they even didn't try to count a murdered ones? I just can't understand the phenomenon - why the contemporary historians don't even try to research this "dark theme"- the Wermacht rapings on the East.If , as Wiki claims there were a mass rapes begining with a Poland in 1939 - why we have not a decumented scholarship books like today we have about Germany?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptimms View Post
    I do not want to get into an "their crimes were worse than ours" debate. So I'll just post this link which is about all sexual violence on the Eastern Front but does detail a scale of rape and sexual slavery very rarely alluded to on the German side. Please look at my other documents too you might find something interesting.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/89860120/V...g-World-War-II
    Wow, so much testimonies. Needs a time to study. Thanks ptimms.

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    Your welcome.

    Germany was our ally and the Soviets our "enemy" by the late 40's. Who wanted to drag up the fact that the Wehrmacht had raped and pillaged. The number of brothels is also alarming, even more so the Nazi's theory that without brothels the Army would "turn" Homosexual!! This work is a worthy study needing wider reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    Yes , of course , this behaviour fully might be determined by racial ideology's terms .What sense to count the raped sub-human , if they even didn't try to count a murdered ones? I just can't understand the phenomenon - why the contemporary historians don't even try to research this "dark theme"- the Wermacht rapings on the East.If , as Wiki claims there were a mass rapes begining with a Poland in 1939 - why we have not a decumented scholarship books like today we have about Germany?
    The Allies might have done a combination of things leading to the general lack of knowledge (intentionally or unintentionally), lack of prosecution during the Nuremberg Trials, need to embrace West Germany as an Ally in the later 40's, location not under Western control.
    The Soviets on the other hand might not have wanted such information to be freely known, if they were to publicly acknowledge it then they would have had questions regarding their own troops.

    Who can say for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptimms View Post
    Germany was our ally and the Soviets our "enemy" by the late 40's. Who wanted to drag up the fact that the Wehrmacht had raped and pillaged..
    Yes , but despite this fact, the german ally was charged in numerious crimes against jews!The Holocaust , most of victims ( up to 90%) were the Eastern european jews , is one of the most documented and studied theme of ww2.As we know the most terrible death-camps were built in Poland.The GErmany has been obligated to pay an big compensation to jewish organisation and Israeli jews.The both east and west is filled up by the literature about holocaust.
    While the crimes against eastern non-jews seems, sort of taboo in the western science.IS it possible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by downwithpeace View Post
    The Allies might have done a combination of things leading to the general lack of knowledge (intentionally or unintentionally), lack of prosecution during the Nuremberg Trials, need to embrace West Germany as an Ally in the later 40's, location not under Western control.
    Well i heard about " selective justice" over estern-front nazis criminal on the west ( but , honestly , explained it by the soviet propogand). If to re-phrase the known statement - "The writting of history is a continuation of policy". But i wonder - the Poland is good western ally more then 10 years ( since 1999 member of NATO). Has anything changed?I've just checked it out, the WIKI link only for few humble polish sources ( in polish) about mass rapings of poles by Wermacht.No serious scholarship sorces there, except few terrible testimonies.
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    Meanwhile i found an polish site about ethnic purges near Danzig. There were organized the dozen of concentration camp for non-german civils in september of 1939.
    http://web.archive.org/web/200710291...m/rozdz3,2.htm
    Google translation ( from polish to english)
    here were 19 such camps, were in the following cities: Bydgoszcz, Allahabad, Chelmno, Dorposz Noble, Stone Krajeński, Karolina, Lipno, Łobżenica, Nakło, New Skarszewy So near, New on the Vistula, Piastoszyn, Plutowo, Sępolno Krajeńskie Solec Kujawski, Tuchola, Wąbrzeźno, Wolental near Skórcz, Wyrzysk. Imprisoned in these camps, Poles (both men and women and youth) in the vast majority were brutally murdered. Descriptions of the few witnesses who almost miraculously escaped death, chilling. Being shot finished off blades, rifle butts, and sometimes even buried alive. Mother forced to lay in pits dug their children, and then they beeing shot themselves. Before being shot girls and women were raped. Polish accounts of these atrocities are confirmed in the German documents. They aroused horror even among the Germans, including some soldiers. For example, the crimes committed in October 1939 in Swiecie, where he shot the Poles and the Jewish population in the local camp, the two witnesses of these crimes - atrocities outraged soldiers of the Wehrmacht made a report, which is preserved in the German archives. Some sadistic perpetrators of crimes, such as in Starogard and Łobżenicy, stood before the German courts and received convictions, but by the end of 1939 were included in the amnesty issued specifically for Hitler.
    Would be interesting to watch those german documents.
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    Here is another interesting source, connecter to holocaust in Poland
    Crimes Against Unarmed Civilians

    The Wehrmacht’s treatment of unarmed civilian Poles ranged anywhere from plundering, to rapes, to outright murder. A report dated just 16 days after the invasion highlights an incident in which a Polish girl just 16 years old was forcibly raped by two soldiers in her parents’ bedroom. In another case, three soldiers broke into a house late at night and pistol-whipped members of the family in their beds. They then proceeded to rape the 20-year-old daughter at gunpoint in front of her family, eventually leaving with several of their material possessions.In the latter case, the soldiers were reported as having been arrested by field officers, but the unruliness of Wehrmacht soldiers in instances of rape was rampant in field reports.

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