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    Adolf Hitler purportedly fathered Jean-Marie Loret in 1917 with a 16-year-old French mistress.
    By M. Alex Johnson, msnbc.com

    New evidence has emerged to support the disputed theory that Adolf Hitler had a secret son in 1918 after an affair with a teenage French mistress, a French newsmagazine reported Friday.

    The man, Jean-Marie Loret, died in 1985 after an eventful life that saw him join the French Resistance and fight German forces led by the man who the evidence suggests was his father.

    Loret claimed to be Hitler's son in an autobiography he published in 1981. The claim has been hotly debated by historians ever since, with the weight of opinion concluding that the story was bunk.

    The new evidence — which includes handwriting analysis, documents indicating Hitler secretly supported the woman financially and paintings signed "Adolf Hitler" discovered in her home — is outlined by Le Point magazine, whose report Friday was widely picked up in the French media but largely ignored by German news outlets.

    The evidence comes from Loret's lawyer, Francois Gibault, who said Loret's children could use it to establish a claim to royalties from Hitler's manifesto, "Mein Kampf."

    Loret's 30-year-old autobiography is also expected to be republished to include the new evidence.

    Loret's mother, Charlotte Lobjoie, was 16 when Hitler, who was a corporal serving with German forces in France in World War I, supposedly had an affair with her while on leave in 1917.

    Loret wrote that his mother told him that she was working in a hayfield in Fournes-en-Weppe with other young women when they spotted the young soldier drawing on a sketch pad across the street. She was chosen to go ask him what he was doing.

    "He was attentive and friendly," she told her son, and that sparked a relationship that lasted several weeks.


    Le Point writes:

    One evening in June 1917, returning a little drunk from a night out with a friend, he [Hitler] got frisky with Charlotte. In March of the next year, a son was born. ...

    Years passed, and Charlotte refused to talk about the mysterious circumstances of her son's birth. Destitute and vaguely shamed, she gave up custody of her son to another family in 1934.

    His "real father" refused to see him but continued from time to seek to ask for news about him from his mother.

    A few weeks before she died in the early '50s, Charlotte confessed to her son the true identity of her father. The shock was terrible.


    In his 1981 book, "Your Father's Name Was Hitler," Loret wrote: "In order not to fall into anxiety, I worked tirelessly, never taking vacation — 20 years without going to a movie."

    Le Point quoted Guibalt on Friday as saying that during the 1970s, however, Loret began seeking evidence of his parentage. He hired several experts: a historian, who visited his childhood home and questioned witnesses; a geneticist from the University of Heidelberg, who compared Hitler's and Loret's blood types; and a handwriting analyst, who compared their writings.

    "All reached the same conclusion," Le Point reported. "Jean-Marie Loret was probably the son of Adolf Hitler."

    See the handwriting comparison published by Le Point (.pdf)

    "When he came to me in 1979, I had before me a lost man who did not know whether he wanted to be recognized as the son of Adolf Hitler," the magazine quoted Guibalt as saying.

    "He experienced the feelings of many illegitimate children: the desire to discover his past, but also a fear of the old memories. I talked with him a lot, playing more the role of a psychologist than a lawyer," Guibalt said.

    The magazine reported that the new evidence includes paintings signed "Adolf Hitler" — Hitler was a painter before going into politics — that were discovered in the attic of Lobjoie's home, as well as a Hitler-signed portrait of a woman believed to be Lobjoie that was discovered in Germany.

    It also includes documents that Le Point said establish that officers of the Wehrmacht, the German armed forces, hand-delivered envelopes of cash to Lobjoie during the German occupation of France.

    Loret, meanwhile, was with Resistance forces at the Maginot Line in 1939, Le Point reported, and in 1940, his unit fought a fierce battle against German troops in the Ardennes. During the German occupation, Loret worked as a Resistance spy under the name "Clement," it said.

    Now, Gibault said, Loret's children could have a claim to royalties from "Mein Kampf," the philosophy of which Loret fought bitterly during World War II.

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    Default Re: New evidence boosts claim that Hitler had a secret French love child

    Interesting, I always thought Hitler wasnt very fancy on women. Now...only 16 years and in a occupied territory, sounds like rape to me.

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    Default Re: New evidence boosts claim that Hitler had a secret French love child

    I was watching something on the the History Channel a while ago regarding Hitler's sexuality, or the lack of it. I think the general conclusion was that Hitler was probably heterosexual--but a rather frigid, celibate one that feared intimacy and physical contact, and his gift for public speaking and swaying the masses was sort of his way of compensating for his lack of intimacy...

    So, get laid or risk turning into a homicidal maniac!

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    He did have a string of young female lovers, as to sexual partners it seems to get a little cloudy.
    I did see a documentary where an staff member (Possibly an SS guy) was talking about Hitler and Eva Braun, he said a female bedchamber lady checked the sheets on numerous occasions for stains and found nothing. Can't remember the documentary now but I saw it twice, almost certain it was a BBC thing.

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    There are ways to avoid stains!
    "I just ran out of ammo. I will ram this one. Good bye, we'll meet in Valhalla." - Major Heinrich Ehrler, April 4, 1945

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamethrowerguy View Post
    There are ways to avoid stains!
    True but it might at the very least point to a very limited sex life.

    Edit: Just realized that could be taken two ways, gone and made WW2 dirty.
    Last edited by downwithpeace; 02-25-2012 at 06:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downwithpeace View Post
    He did have a string of young female lovers, as to sexual partners it seems to get a little cloudy.
    I did see a documentary where an staff member (Possibly an SS guy) was talking about Hitler and Eva Braun, he said a female bedchamber lady checked the sheets on numerous occasions for stains and found nothing. Can't remember the documentary now but I saw it twice, almost certain it was a BBC thing.
    I've seen the same interview. But FTG has a point, and I've seen other interviews with senior German officers and believed Hitler "of course" must of had Braun for sex, saying she was basically a birdbrain that really wasn't much good for anything else, and he dismissed speculation with a wave of his hand.

    There is of course the matter of Hitler's niece, IIRC. I have heard speculation that Hitler did indeed enjoy groupies, as many men with power have...

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    Quote Originally Posted by downwithpeace View Post
    True but it might at the very least point to a very limited sex life.

    Edit: Just realized that could be taken two ways, gone and made WW2 dirty.
    Well, he was in his fifties and in slowly failing health before the age of erectile dysfunction drugs...

    *Incidentally, Hitler's biggest surviving familial lineage may well be in the United States, as his neerdowell nephew defected and became a U.S. officer. He then changed his name and the now extended family is very secretive over their German roots for obvious reasons...
    Last edited by Nickdfresh; 02-26-2012 at 10:38 AM. Reason: *added

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I've seen the same interview. But FTG has a point, and I've seen other interviews with senior German officers and believed Hitler "of course" must of had Braun for sex, saying she was basically a birdbrain that really wasn't much good for anything else, and he dismissed speculation with a wave of his hand.

    There is of course the matter of Hitler's niece, IIRC. I have heard speculation that Hitler did indeed enjoy groupies, as many men with power have...
    His niece was one of the younger women he had some sort of relationship with, not the only one to kill or try to kill herself either.
    There was another show on BBC Open University AM run that did the life of Hitler but from writings friends or other people had done about him, one of the bits was about how he fell in love with an upper class Jewish girl and wanted to run off with her.

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    Default Re: New evidence boosts claim that Hitler had a secret French love child

    So, get laid or risk turning into a homicidal maniac!
    that is always a good advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by downwithpeace View Post
    one of the bits was about how he fell in love with an upper class Jewish girl and wanted to run off with her.
    Don't know about the upper class Jewish girl, but various theories / assertions surround his relationship with Unity Mitford, a seriously upper class British woman whose sister Diana was married to Oswald Mosley the head of the British Union of Fascists, even to the extent that Unity bore Hitler's child. Not my favourite source, but it'll do for these purposes:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_British_Girl
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_British_Girl
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    Quote Originally Posted by downwithpeace View Post
    one of the bits was about how he fell in love with an upper class Jewish girl and wanted to run off with her.
    Hitler in love with a Jewish girl...now their's a joke!



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    Quote Originally Posted by VonWeyer View Post
    Hitler in love with a Jewish girl...now their's a joke!
    But entirely possible given the rank hypocrisy of many of the Nazi leaders.
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    This is the women, after reading the article it has a fair bit more info the then documentary did and crucially it left out the bit towards the end but I won't spoil the read.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...irlfriend.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by downwithpeace View Post
    This is the women, after reading the article it has a fair bit more info the then documentary did and crucially it left out the bit towards the end but I won't spoil the read.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...irlfriend.html
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