Türk porno yayini yapan http://www.smfairview.com ve http://www.idoproxy.com adli siteler rokettube videolarini da HD kalitede yayinlayacagini acikladi. Ayrica porno indir ozelligiyle de http://www.mysticinca.com adli porno sitesi devreye girdi.
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 38

Thread: Alliance between German socialism, and soviet Socialism

  1. #1

    Default Alliance between German socialism, and soviet Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by doc4aday View Post
    Looking back on WWII, if Germany would have produced the ME-262 a couple of years prior to when they actually came into service, and in greater numbers (7500), it is very scary to think what might have happened. I do not know if the USA would have been able to produce a jet fighter quickly enough to counter Germany. I know this thread is about Tanks, and with regard to that, Germany had a winner in the Tiger, but did not use it in ways that could have turned the tide of the war. If Germany had numbers in the thousands of the Tiger Tank and parts to keep them running, along with using them smarter, God only know what would have happened. Believe me, I am glad the war turned out the way it did. I think all of us has at one time or another, wondered what might have happened if things such as what I am talking about had occured. I am German by family tree with my great grandfather coming to America in 1889. When I did my family tree research, I found out that I actually had family that fought for Germany in WWII and died for Germany. The whole mess of WWII was and is still sickening to dwell over with the result of what happened to so many human beings from all sides, and of that, I hope and pray we never fight WWIII.
    There was a thread a few months ago where we debated if there was any way that Germany could have won the war. I believe that came to the consensus that there was just too much stacked against Germany (they were fighting countries with much larger industrial resources, larger population, etc) for them to win (though, some things like you mentioned above, would have delayed the end of the war a bit).

    Of course, even though they were so ideologically opposed, it would be interesting to think about if there was some kind of alliance between the USSR and Germany.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Up in the land of the Yoopers.
    Posts
    4,312

    Default Re: Alliance between German socialism, and soviet Socialism

    Join Date: Oct 2009Location: BelgiumPosts: 234


    alliance of German socialism,and Soviet Socialism










    Originally Posted by flyerhell

    Of course, even though they were so ideologically opposed, it would be interesting to think about if there was some kind of alliance between the USSR and Germans



    Response to Flyerhell by Steben: " Sure thing these thoughts were already once the Terror of the Western gouvernments in the late 30ties.
    In pre-nazi times Germans and Russians already joined secret weapon programs.
    And Stalin grasped every opportunity to delay conflict with Hitler afterwards...."
    Last edited by tankgeezer; 10-03-2011 at 03:23 PM.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Belgium
    Posts
    424

    Default Re: Alliance between German socialism, and soviet Socialism

    To make things clear, the last post above was posted by me, not flyerhell
    It is nice to have big heavy tanks, it is even nicer not to need them

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Up in the land of the Yoopers.
    Posts
    4,312

    Default Re: Alliance between German socialism, and soviet Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by steben View Post
    To make things clear, the last post above was posted by me, not flyerhell
    Fixed.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Guildford, England
    Posts
    1,427

    Default Re: Alliance between German socialism, and soviet Socialism

    Heh, that could've been interesting...

    Soviet raw materials matched with Germany's industrial might.

    I'd say those two could have easily conquered Africa and the Middle East, just due to sheer manpower, then rolled over to India. I'm not sure about how the Indians would've reacted, either seeing the Nazi/Soviet troops as conquerors or liberators... Then you'd have to deal with the Japanese in China, assuming the Nazi/Soviet troops made it past India. That would've been interesting as well, maybe a fight on racial grounds, with possible Chinese-Japanese alliance against the 'round-eyes'...

    This takes nothing into account of any islands off the shore of any conquered lands, such as the British Isles or Madagascar or Ceylon, though I don't imagine the Soviets had that great a navy(Not that I know anything about the Soviet Navy, I'm just going on what they told me while playing Axis and Allies), or Franco in Spain... He'd probably see the Nazi/Soviet forces conquer great tracts of land and be jealous, maybe join in...

    But against Nazi/Soviet combined forces, would the US see reason to join this war? Sure, the industrial base existed there, and raw materials could be brought in from Canada or South America, but would the public be willing to fight against what then would've been the majority of Europe, Asia, Africa, the Middle East?

    Just what I'm thinking...

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Up in the land of the Yoopers.
    Posts
    4,312

    Default Re: Alliance between German socialism, and soviet Socialism

    Quote by Churchill: "and raw materials could be brought in from Canada or South America"
    I've looked in the industrial indexes, and I'm not certain what we could make out of bacon, banana's, and tequila. ('cept for maybe breakfast)

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Guildford, England
    Posts
    1,427

    Default Re: Alliance between German socialism, and soviet Socialism



    The foundation of a productive day is a health breakfast!!!

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Belgium
    Posts
    424

    Default Re: Alliance between German socialism, and soviet Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    Heh, that could've been interesting...

    Soviet raw materials matched with Germany's industrial might.

    I'd say those two could have easily conquered Africa and the Middle East, just due to sheer manpower, then rolled over to India. I'm not sure about how the Indians would've reacted, either seeing the Nazi/Soviet troops as conquerors or liberators... Then you'd have to deal with the Japanese in China, assuming the Nazi/Soviet troops made it past India. That would've been interesting as well, maybe a fight on racial grounds, with possible Chinese-Japanese alliance against the 'round-eyes'...

    This takes nothing into account of any islands off the shore of any conquered lands, such as the British Isles or Madagascar or Ceylon, though I don't imagine the Soviets had that great a navy(Not that I know anything about the Soviet Navy, I'm just going on what they told me while playing Axis and Allies), or Franco in Spain... He'd probably see the Nazi/Soviet forces conquer great tracts of land and be jealous, maybe join in...

    But against Nazi/Soviet combined forces, would the US see reason to join this war? Sure, the industrial base existed there, and raw materials could be brought in from Canada or South America, but would the public be willing to fight against what then would've been the majority of Europe, Asia, Africa, the Middle East?

    Just what I'm thinking...
    When American Revolution was set on fire, It was almost an army of peasants rising up against 50% of the world map. Yet, that 50% was ruled by only 1,6% of the world...

    Nazi/Soviet pact would lead up to 4% rulers and would stretch mainly out over land, but the adversaries wouldn't be peasants.
    It is nice to have big heavy tanks, it is even nicer not to need them

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Southern Russia , Krasnodar
    Posts
    4,078

    Default Re: Alliance between German socialism, and soviet Socialism

    Well it pure theoretically , put aside the race hate of nazis toward "jewish russia" , the Nazis-Soviet military alliance might be very succesfull in fight against anglo-saxons.While the Red Army might to advance into Iran and further- the GErmans with Italy might to concentrate over Africa and "sealion" . Anyway the BRitain would have survived more then year or half. The Japane might be directed deep into the asia and Pacific, tieding the USA more and more.
    However the very interesting question is - what would happend after the war should have ended? No guaranties the former Allies will have not attack the USSR later. Unless the Stalin wouldn't reformed the soviet ideology into the pro- nazis favoure.I mean the abandoning of Marxism and creating a new ideology kinda "National-bolshevism" that take the race factor as a major factor.

    "I decide who is a Jew and who is an Aryan "- Hermann Goering

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Belgium
    Posts
    424

    Default Re: Alliance between German socialism, and soviet Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    Well it pure theoretically , put aside the race hate of nazis toward "jewish russia" , the Nazis-Soviet military alliance might be very succesfull in fight against anglo-saxons.While the Red Army might to advance into Iran and further- the GErmans with Italy might to concentrate over Africa and "sealion" . Anyway the BRitain would have survived more then year or half. The Japane might be directed deep into the asia and Pacific, tieding the USA more and more.
    However the very interesting question is - what would happend after the war should have ended? No guaranties the former Allies will have not attack the USSR later. Unless the Stalin wouldn't reformed the soviet ideology into the pro- nazis favoure.I mean the abandoning of Marxism and creating a new ideology kinda "National-bolshevism" that take the race factor as a major factor.
    Yes ... but along with this, Hitler would need to let go of his racist ideas concerning Slavic people as well.
    Taking in account that the suppression of Slavic people and "routing" them out was the main nucleus of Nazi geopolitics, it would never happen.
    Implementing antisemitism in early USSR on the other hand was very easy, since it was already vivid.
    Last edited by steben; 10-04-2011 at 06:04 AM.
    It is nice to have big heavy tanks, it is even nicer not to need them

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Southern Russia , Krasnodar
    Posts
    4,078

    Default Re: Alliance between German socialism, and soviet Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by steben View Post
    Yes ... but along with this, Hitler would need to let go of his racist ideas concerning Slavic people as well.
    Taking in account that the suppression of Slavic people and "routing" them out was the main nucleus of Nazi geopolitics, it would never happen.
    Implementing antisemitism in early USSR on the other hand was very easy, since it was already vivid.
    Of course the White-arian ideology should be transformed as well. Slavic nations might be partly "rehabilited" in their race-hierarchy in manner like asiatic japananese nation was recognized as almost equal to GErmans nation. Finally the GErmans ideology wasn't that hostile to all slavs - remember the Slovenians and Bulgarians were the part of axis coalition.
    Soviet antisemitism also might be finally legalized during the war and post war.

    "I decide who is a Jew and who is an Aryan "- Hermann Goering

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Belgium
    Posts
    424

    Default Re: Alliance between German socialism, and soviet Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    Of course the White-arian ideology should be transformed as well. Slavic nations might be partly "rehabilited" in their race-hierarchy in manner like asiatic japananese nation was recognized as almost equal to GErmans nation. Finally the GErmans ideology wasn't that hostile to all slavs - remember the Slovenians and Bulgarians were the part of axis coalition.
    Soviet antisemitism also might be finally legalized during the war and post war.
    slavic axis .... True ...
    Why did they reject the Ukraine as axis partner then?
    It is nice to have big heavy tanks, it is even nicer not to need them

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Southern Russia , Krasnodar
    Posts
    4,078

    Default Re: Alliance between German socialism, and soviet Socialism

    Quote Originally Posted by steben View Post
    slavic axis .... True ...
    Why did they reject the Ukraine as axis partner then?
    They have not rejected the Ukrainians. During the occupation the ukrainians ( and russian as well) volunteres were welcomed by both Heer and WaffenSS. They just rejected to grant the independence to Ukraine. Hitler , folowed the line developed in "Mein campf" seen at Ukraine, Belorussia and Russia like at German's colony under the the rule of GErman governors ( gaulauters).This line led to hostilities with UPA since 1943, however the colloborated so called "ROA" fought in GErmans side to the most end.
    Last edited by Chevan; 10-04-2011 at 07:31 AM.

    "I decide who is a Jew and who is an Aryan "- Hermann Goering

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Up in the land of the Yoopers.
    Posts
    4,312

    Default Re: Alliance between German socialism, and soviet Socialism

    Royal's post cobcerning ME-262's has been moved to the correct thread

    http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/show...ank-of-the-war.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Italia
    Posts
    224

    Default Re: Alliance between German socialism, and soviet Socialism

    There was more than an opportunity of alliance. Of course there was an ideological hostility, but the nazism and communism have more points of conctact than of difference. The true point it's another: Hitler wanted to destroy Russia, not just Soviet Union.
    Since the time of Von Clausevitz, arriving to Bismarck, many German political leaders thought that if not an alliance, at least a good relationship with Russia was a must. This position started to change after Bismarck, with the Wilhelm II imperialism. After the WWI, the new political situation retook among the German leaders the evidence of the good opportunities of good relationships with Russia, think for example to von Seeckt, or to the agreements between Weimar Germany and Russia.
    For Hitler, the alliance with Russia was just a tactic of a moment, not a strategical view. Many people inside the German leadership thought differently, especially if war with GB was not yet resolved. On this point was based the Mussolini's attempt in 1943, with the other main Axis powers, to force Hitler to get an armistice or a peace with Russia. Read here:
    http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/show...ans-lose/page6

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •