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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Tovish View Post
    Just to set the record straight: Mayors for Peace is not sponsored/stewarded by the Japanese Government. I am employed by the City of Hiroshima and I am answerable to the leadership of the Mayors for Peace which is truly international.
    Regardless of my scepticism about mayors anywhere managing to influence the actions of their own or other nations where decisions about war are taken at much higher levels, I still regard your efforts as commendable, as are many other anti-war efforts inspired by narrow interests such as various women's groups against war inspired by feminist or anti-rape or anti-patriarchial etc viewpoints. All this undoubtedly contributes to anti-war sentiment and actions, but until the people of all nations are able to prevent their leaders taking them to war, nothing will change. Given the likes of Dubya, Putin, countless leaders of nations and militias and brigand groups in much of Africa and the Middle East and the presence of nutcases like North Korea's leadership etc, I don't expect anything to change in my children's or my grandchildren's lifetimes, and probably never unless someone works out how to remove the bully / thief gene from humans.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron Tovish View Post
    I am well aware of Japan's history of ruthless aggression as are most of the Japanese I interact with. We wholeheartedly condemn it. ISIS's glorification of beheading is reminiscent of the Japanese army's behavior in China and how it was reported in Jpan at the time.
    The difference between Japan's conduct 1931-45 and ISIS recently and for the foreseeable future is that Japan's conduct emanated from factors peculiar to Japan and its relations with and treatment by the rest of the world after Commodore Perry forced Japan to engage with it. ISIS is an outgrowth of a religion which spans much of the globe in nations which are Islamic and the adherents of the ISIS version of which seek to reclaim the past glories of the supposed Islamic caliphate and other historical nonsenses.

    Japan's defeat discouraged it from pursuing the same path again, ably assisted by the constitution and other things imposed upon it by the victors, although since WWII there has been a strong, unrepentant and consistent element in Japanese politics which preserves aspects of Japanese notions which contributed to Japan's conduct 1931-45.

    Be that as it may, unlike ISIS and Islamic fundamentalists and states like Saudi Arabia and Iran, Japan is not a threat to world peace and does not export and support dangerous Islamic ideologies, arms and fighters to other nations for the sole purpose of damaging and ideally destroying them as being offensive to a certain version of Islam. That version of Islam is about as representative of all Muslims and their desires for peaceful lives as was the militarist / zaibatsu etc corruption of Japanese traditional values in pursuit of their expansionist / colonial / laissez faire capitalist policies.
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    I think it is my understanding of this thread that is In Ruins at this stage. Regarding aaron tovish's "context" response to the Sherman letter - it only serves to reinforce my point. Sherman was driven on this occasion by a combination of entitlement, empowerment and necessity, and no consideration of decency was going to interdict his actions. I suppose it could even have been worse - at least he evacuated the city before reducing it to ashes.

    By the way - he certainly could write. I wonder how many senior military commanders could match him now ? Yours from the Writer's Museum, JR.

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