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    Default Re: Ordensburg Vogelsang

    steben

    Hardly Swastika bashing for the sake of it, they were and still are banned symbols in Germany. Most other Swastikas are used as peace symbols and many rotate the opposite direction.

    It was removal of a particular symbol that actually represented and stood for something that had become abhorrent, it was the symbol at Vogelsang of the Nazi party.

    The Eagle is also used in various designs as national symbols. It was left as it was not the party symbol. Various other wall plaques/friezes were damaged by gunfire around the sports pitches that I can remember, they depicted athletic activities amongst other things.
    IN the days of lace-ruffles, perukes and brocade
    Brown Bess was a partner whom none could despise
    An out-spoken, flinty-lipped, brazen-faced jade,
    With a habit of looking men straight in the eyes
    At Blenheim and Ramillies fops would confess
    They were pierced to the heart by the charms of Brown Bess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steben View Post
    ahhh, swastika - bashing ....
    never forget swastika's are still in use all over the world as a positive symbol
    (columns in Belgian court "palace of justice" in Brussels, Finnish symbols and flags, india...)
    it's just a couple of twigs

    In fact, all those Nazi eagles (like the one on the picture above) that survived the swastika-bashing look far more aggressive to me than anything else.
    German eagles represent expanionism and german imperialism allready there in 1900.
    If you want to discuss the use/misuse of the symbol, there is a lengthy,and prolific thread dealing with just that. Find it here. http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/show...ight=swastikas
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    Quote Originally Posted by leccy View Post
    steben

    Hardly Swastika bashing for the sake of it, they were and still are banned symbols in Germany. Most other Swastikas are used as peace symbols and many rotate the opposite direction.

    It was removal of a particular symbol that actually represented and stood for something that had become abhorrent, it was the symbol at Vogelsang of the Nazi party.

    The Eagle is also used in various designs as national symbols. It was left as it was not the party symbol. Various other wall plaques/friezes were damaged by gunfire around the sports pitches that I can remember, they depicted athletic activities amongst other things.
    true

    yet I do not fully agree with the removal of only the swastikas....
    It looks like post war "emotional" actions...
    The German eagle of today as seen on state flags, sports etc is very different.
    That specific eagle (with typical horizontal wings) was 100% used by the nazi's only. It feels like pulling the "double S" symbols of the collar and then still function nin your fully SS uniform.

    Or ... you simply remove nothing of course. But that's a hard discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tankgeezer View Post
    If you want to discuss the use/misuse of the symbol, there is a lengthy,and prolific thread dealing with just that. Find it here. http://www.ww2incolor.com/forum/show...ight=swastikas
    ok, i'll think of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by steben View Post
    ok, i'll think of it
    If you want to talk about swastika bashing, Thats the only thread you should post to. This thread really isnt about the Swastika,and its inherent evil, or innocence, so no more of it in this thread if you please.

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    Default Re: Ordensburg Vogelsang

    Belgian devises I found in Wollseifen, the abandoned village:

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    "I just ran out of ammo. I will ram this one. Good bye, we'll meet in Valhalla." - Major Heinrich Ehrler, April 4, 1945

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamethrowerguy View Post
    Belgian devises I found in Wollseifen, the abandoned village:

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    Looks like some Gimpy links (Blank rounds in some GPMG disintergrating links)
    IN the days of lace-ruffles, perukes and brocade
    Brown Bess was a partner whom none could despise
    An out-spoken, flinty-lipped, brazen-faced jade,
    With a habit of looking men straight in the eyes
    At Blenheim and Ramillies fops would confess
    They were pierced to the heart by the charms of Brown Bess.

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    Default Re: Ordensburg Vogelsang

    I found several loose 5.56mm blanks as well, all surface finds. Surprising in consideration of the daily foot traffic...
    "I just ran out of ammo. I will ram this one. Good bye, we'll meet in Valhalla." - Major Heinrich Ehrler, April 4, 1945

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    Default Relief in Vogelsang, then and now

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    Default Re: Ordensburg Vogelsang

    Most of the sculptures were damaged by triumphant G.I.'s immediately after the capture of the castle (also the giant eagle on the Adlerhof lost its head).
    I'm pretty sure the concrete athletes of this relief lost their private parts even before their heads.
    "I just ran out of ammo. I will ram this one. Good bye, we'll meet in Valhalla." - Major Heinrich Ehrler, April 4, 1945

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