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Thread: German winter uniform camouflage question.

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    Default Re: German winter uniform camouflage question.

    Quote Originally Posted by flamethrowerguy View Post
    Yes, the so-called "Pelz- und Wollspende" (fur & wool donation). A well-meant yet ineffective undertaking.
    My understanding is that there really wasn't as much of a shortage of Wehrmacht winter gear as it was a matter of not really having a means to deliver it to the troops. The question was rather should vital and limited rail, truck, and cart space be devoted to ammunition/food, or the niceties of winter overcoats?

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    If I'm not mistaken, in the first winter 41 the winter gear was held back because the high command was still expecting the victory before
    winter and didn't supply the troops with the necessary equipment to force them into Moscow even if some comanding officers were asking for it. Truth or just myth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grenadier View Post
    ...to force them into Moscow even if some comanding officers were asking for it. Truth or just myth?
    And hereby accept that Wehrmacht & Waffen-SS lose more casualties to the cold than actually caused by hostilities? Unlikely...
    "I just ran out of ammo. I will ram this one. Good bye, we'll meet in Valhalla." - Major Heinrich Ehrler, April 4, 1945

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    I have to learn how to communicate in a forum... don't know how to use the tools...

    I also doubt that they held back winter supply but I thought I have read somewhere... Maybe Mr. Knoop is not the right source

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    Grenadier I have always heard and read that the German high command didn't supply winter gear during the first year because they thought they wouldn't need it,I don't think it was to "force" the troops into getting to Moscow before winter,I have never heard that. Hitler told his armies to stop and wait when they were within sight of Moscow....then when he gave the go ahead the rains came and bogged them down. I believe the delay was so he could try to capture Stalingrad first. I agree it wasn't that winter gear was not available just the supply problems as Nickd said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grenadier View Post
    Maybe Mr. Knoop is not the right source
    You mean the German younger generations' "guilty conscience reminder"?
    "I just ran out of ammo. I will ram this one. Good bye, we'll meet in Valhalla." - Major Heinrich Ehrler, April 4, 1945

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamethrowerguy View Post
    You mean the German younger generations' "guilty conscience reminder"?
    exactly. It is okay to remember and learn from history, but he's going far beyond... just my humble opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peacejager View Post
    Grenadier I have always heard and read that the German high command didn't supply winter gear during the first year because they thought they wouldn't need it,I don't think it was to "force" the troops into getting to Moscow before winter,I have never heard that. Hitler told his armies to stop and wait when they were within sight of Moscow....then when he gave the go ahead the rains came and bogged them down. I believe the delay was so he could try to capture Stalingrad first. I agree it wasn't that winter gear was not available just the supply problems as Nickd said.
    Stalingrad was in Autumn/winter 42/43. Heeresgruppe Mitte was defeated in winter 41 near Moscow by "General Winter" and fresh troops coming
    from East. But I think you're right about winter gear. They hesitated too long and didn't have enough transport capacity then. But in such conditions I wouldn't think of winter overcoats as niceties... ;-)

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