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    Default German winter uniform camouflage question.

    Hi everyone.

    I'm going to paint a wargaming army, its Germans in long greatcoats, some have somekind of "shirt" over the greatcoats, guess this is winter camo?

    Found this photo on wikipedia:


    Is this the normal way of doing snow camouflage?
    Seen some pictures where they also have white pants, how normal is this?
    Where there white greatcoats?

    Generally I need help paint my wargaming army so its historical correct.

    -Bergh
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    In the first picture (left) note the special Luftwaffe padded grey/white parka. In the other picture (right), German soldiers somewhere on Eastern Front.
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    Default Re: German winter uniform camouflage question.

    Thanks,

    The picture on the right, are those just thin jackets and pants, which they took over there normal clothes, anyone know this?

    Just for reference, this is the miniatures im going to paint, here at the store site, they are all just painted grey, and some with a brown-ish camo.

    http://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=1043

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergh View Post
    The picture on the right, are those just thin jackets and pants, which they took over there normal clothes, anyone know this?
    At first sight, in that and other pictures, they seem just thin and waterproof jackets and pants, which they wear over winter uniforms. On the book "The road to Stalingrad" (from the Series "THIRD REICH" edited by Time-Life Inc.) i found this Winter Combat, that it was a reversible uniform from green-camo (left) to white-snow (right). I hope it may help you.
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    Default Re: German winter uniform camouflage question.

    I did know about the reversible uniform, but what if they used the long greatcoat? like in the picture link I included in the first post?

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    It should be remembered that due to stark lack of their own supplies being available, many German soldiers stripped white camo suits from dead Russians and employed those same suits, similarly with the white of grey-white greatcoats. In fact the supplies were to large degree simply not distributed to the German troops, even though they were for the most part in existence.

    For the purposes of historical accuracy, therefore, you'd be wise to consider "equipping" your German troops with Russian camosuits and greatcoats to the proportion of 45% or so of any given unit.

    Believe me: had I been a German soldier in need of winter wear, I'd have stripped a dead or prisoner Russian of his greatcoat or camosuit without hesitation. Reason being: The Russian's war is already over: I would certainly intend to survive my war.

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    Default Re: German winter uniform camouflage question.

    Thanks for that usefull post Uyreall.

    generally what i read, is that i have very free hands on painting my wargaming army.

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    Note: Updated with some pictures

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergh View Post
    Thanks for that usefull post Uyreall.

    generally what i read, is that i have very free hands on painting my wargaming army.
    You are most welcome, Bergh.

    For true accuracy, you would also consider having tiny pieces of newspaper being visible behind the folds of a coat on the chest area, at the wrists, and at the ankles. Reason is: where a German soldier could not obtain winter gear, he padded out his normal uniform with sheets of newspaper in order to have some method of retaining such small amount of body warmth as he might have. Similarly, few men had spare socks in winter. Few had the issued mittens or gloves, and so were forced by the cold into wearing their spare pair of socks on their hands in place of mittens.

    Kind Regards Bergh, Uyraell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergh View Post
    I did know about the reversible uniform, but what if they used the long greatcoat? like in the picture link I included in the first post?
    I think that if they used the greatcoats of the pic you posted, they couldn't wear any kind of jackets, reversible of not... Anyway, on the same book that i mentioned before, i found the pic of this long overcoat.
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    Here's the caption : Drivers, sentinels and all the personnel whose duty required to stay outside in the terrible russian winter, were the most exposed to the risk of freezing. So they were equipped with special wool-wadded over coats, too heavy for active troops, matched to big felt overshoes, with insulating-wood soles, seven centimeters thick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergh View Post
    Hi everyone.

    I'm going to paint a wargaming army, its Germans in long greatcoats, some have somekind of "shirt" over the greatcoats, guess this is winter camo?

    Found this photo on wikipedia:


    Is this the normal way of doing snow camouflage?
    Seen some pictures where they also have white pants, how normal is this?
    Where there white greatcoats?

    Generally I need help paint my wargaming army so its historical correct.

    -Bergh
    This photo shows improvised winter gear during the 1941/42 winter in the Soviet Union, you can see that even curtains and table cloths were used.
    The "Heeres-Pelzmantel" had various colourations from white to beige.

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    Yeah, wasn't there a drive in greater Germany for civilians to donate winter weather items to the troops?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bergh View Post
    Hi everyone.

    I'm going to paint a wargaming army, its Germans in long greatcoats, some have somekind of "shirt" over the greatcoats, guess this is winter camo?

    Found this photo on wikipedia:


    Is this the normal way of doing snow camouflage?
    Seen some pictures where they also have white pants, how normal is this?
    Where there white greatcoats?

    Generally I need help paint my wargaming army so its historical correct.

    -Bergh
    The soldier second from the right obviously suffered post-traumatic self-esteem issues after the War.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Yeah, wasn't there a drive in greater Germany for civilians to donate winter weather items to the troops?
    Yes, the so-called "Pelz- und Wollspende" (fur & wool donation). A well-meant yet ineffective undertaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    The soldier second from the right obviously suffered post-traumatic self-esteem issues after the War.
    And he was probably not alone in this...

    "I just ran out of ammo. I will ram this one. Good bye, we'll meet in Valhalla." - Major Heinrich Ehrler, April 4, 1945

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