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    2 May 2011 Last updated at 07:41 ET

    US forces kill Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan

    The BBC's Adam Brookes: US intelligence analysts believed the compound was "the sort of place that you might try to hide"

    Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden has been killed by US forces in Pakistan, President Barack Obama has said.

    Bin Laden was killed in a ground operation outside Islamabad based on US intelligence, the first lead for which emerged last August.

    Mr Obama said after "a firefight", US forces took possession of the body.

    Bin Laden is believed to be the mastermind of the attacks on New York and Washington on 11 September 2001 and a number of others.

    He was top of the US' "most wanted" list.

    Mr Obama said it was "the most significant achievement to date in our nation's effort to defeat al-Qaeda".

    The US has put its embassies around the world on alert, warning Americans of the possibility of al-Qaeda reprisal attacks for Bin Laden's killing.
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    Roger Hardy Islamic affairs analyst

    How will al-Qaeda react? In the short term, the Obama administration is already bracing itself for possible revenge attacks. But for many the bigger question is whether, in the longer run, al-Qaeda can survive.

    Since the start of the year, some experts have argued that the uprisings in the Arab world have rendered it irrelevant. They will see Bin Laden's death as confirming the trend. Perhaps.

    But the root causes of radical Islam - the range of issues that enabled al-Qaeda to recruit disaffected young Muslims to its cause - remain, for the most part, unaddressed. The death of Bin Laden will strike at the morale of the global jihad, but is unlikely to end it.

    Crowds gathered outside the White House in Washington DC, chanting "USA, USA" after the news emerged.

    A US official quoted by Associated Press news agency said Bin Laden's body had been buried at sea, although this has not been confirmed.
    Compound raided

    Bin Laden had approved the 9/11 attacks in which nearly 3,000 people died.

    He evaded the forces of the US and its allies for almost a decade, despite a $25m bounty on his head.

    Mr Obama said he had been briefed last August on a possible lead to Bin Laden's whereabouts.

    "It was far from certain, and it took many months to run this thread to ground," Mr Obama said.

    "I met repeatedly with my national security team as we developed more information about the possibility that we had located Bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside of Pakistan.

    "And finally, last week, I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action, and authorised an operation to get Osama Bin Laden and bring him to justice," the president said.
    Osama Bin Laden Bin Laden was top of the US "most wanted" list

    On Sunday, US forces said to be from the elite Navy Seal Team Six undertook the operation in Abbottabad, 100km (62 miles) north-east of Islamabad.

    After a "firefight" Bin Laden was killed and his body taken by US forces, the president said.

    Mr Obama said "no Americans were harmed".

    US officials said Bin Laden was shot in the head after resisting.

    US media reports said that the body was buried at sea to conform with Islamic practice of a burial within 24 hours and to prevent any grave becoming a shrine.

    Giving more details of the raid, one senior US official said a small US team had conducted the attack in about 40 minutes.

    Three other men were killed in the raid - one of Bin Laden's sons and two couriers - the official said, adding that one woman was also killed when she was used as "a shield" and two other women were injured.

    One helicopter was lost due to "technical failure". The team destroyed it and left in its other aircraft.

    One resident, Nasir Khan, told Reuters the helicopters had come under "intense firing" from the ground.

    The size and complexity of the structure in Abbottabad had "shocked" US officials.

    It had 4m-6m (12ft-18ft) walls, was eight times larger than other homes in the area and was valued at "a million dollars", though it had no telephone or internet connection.

    The US official said that intelligence had been tracking a "trusted courier" of Bin Laden for many years. The courier's identity was discovered four years ago, his area of operation two years ago and then, last August, his residence in Abbottabad was found, triggering the start of the mission.

    Another senior US official said that no intelligence had been shared with any country, including Pakistan, ahead of the raid.

    "Only a very small group of people inside our own government knew of this operation in advance," the official said.
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    The Abbottabad residence is just a few hundred metres from the Pakistan Military Academy - the country's equivalent of West Point.

    The BBC's Aleem Maqbool in Abbottabad says it will undoubtedly be a huge embarrassment to Pakistan that Bin Laden was found not only in the country but also on the doorstep of the military academy.

    He says residents in the town were stunned the al-Qaeda leader was living in their midst.

    The senior US official warned that the possibility of revenge attacks had now created "a heightened threat to the homeland and to US citizens and facilities abroad".

    But the official added that "the loss of Bin Laden puts the group on a path of decline that will be difficult to reverse".

    He said Bin Laden's probable successor, Ayman al-Zawahiri, was "far less charismatic and not as well respected within the organisation", according to reports from captured al-Qaeda operatives.
    'Momentous achievement'

    World leaders welcomed the news of Bin Laden's death.

    Afghan President Hamid Karzai said Bin Laden had "paid for his actions".

    Pakistani PM Yusuf Raza Gilani said the killing was a "great victory" but added that he "didn't know the details" of the US operation.
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    Former US President George W Bush described the news as a "momentous achievement".

    "The fight against terror goes on, but tonight America has sent an unmistakable message: No matter how long it takes, justice will be done," Mr Bush said in a statement.

    But a spokesman for the Pakistani Taliban threatened revenge attacks against the "American and Pakistani governments and their security forces".

    BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner says that, to many in the West, Bin Laden became the embodiment of global terrorism, but to others he was a hero, a devout Muslim who fought two world superpowers in the name of jihad.

    The son of a wealthy Saudi construction family, Bin Laden grew up in a privileged world. But soon after the Soviets invaded Afghanistan he joined the mujahideen there and fought alongside them with his Arab followers, a group that later formed the nucleus for al-Qaeda.

    After declaring war on America in 1998, Bin Laden is widely believed to have been behind the bombings of US embassies in East Africa, the attack on the USS Cole in Yemen in 2000 and the attacks on New York and Washington.

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    The main item of interest here is any paperwork they may have grabbed from the compound - it would be very useful indeed to find out who in ISI has been funding and protecting him for all these years and arrange for them to cease doing so...
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    1. I'm glad the ****'s dead.

    2. Now wait for the avalanche of conspiracy theories saying he's not.

    3. While at the same time the Islamofascists supporting the conspiracy theories will demonstrate their legendary illogicality and congenital stupidity by elevating him to martyr status.

    4. Meanwhile, political gymnastics of Olympic standard will be performed by Pakistan to demonstrate to the world that it knew nothing of the viper it harboured in its breast.

    5. It won't change anything much that's going on in the world.

    6. Still, I'm glad the ****'s dead. Wipe out a few more thousand or whatever number of his ilk and the world will be a better place (although that represents my prejudices against everything that his lot stand for).
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    I agree that not many things will change with his death, all around the world. The biggest risk it's gonna be a terrorism upswing, in the name of a new martyr... Since now, every bomb-car driver will have a new reason to push his pedal to the metal...

    Another thing that's really pissed me off, is the way the media manipulate everything in real time. When the new of his death arrived here in Italy, early this morning, it was already associated to the right picture, that is an evident mix between the one at left and the one in the middle.
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    This was fw'd to me,, RIP OBL, World hide and seek champion, 2001-2011.

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    I dunno, to have killed him on Sunday, and then dump him in the ocean? Why not keep him for a bit longer, I don't know, long enough to bring him to the US?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    I dunno, to have killed him on Sunday, and then dump him in the ocean? Why not keep him for a bit longer, I don't know, long enough to bring him to the US?
    Too dangerous to hold him anywhere, his nutburger pals will take an ocean liner hostage for his release, or some such, at any rate better him dead, and in the drink. (really, he has been moved to the "Village" where all they want is information..........)
    The best thing to do is forget he ever lived, stricken from the history books, erased from existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Churchill View Post
    I dunno, to have killed him on Sunday, and then dump him in the ocean? Why not keep him for a bit longer, I don't know, long enough to bring him to the US?
    They were trying to follow Islamic custom of burial as best they could while avoiding making a shrine.

    I suspect, there's more to the story...

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    I just hope that nobody sees him down in Mexico next week.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    They were trying to follow Islamic custom of burial as best they could while avoiding making a shrine.

    I suspect, there's more to the story...
    One hopes he was wrapped in Bacon, with a sausage shoved up his arse and buried with several jazz mags.

    Good riddance to bad rubbish, and Tankgeezer you beat me to it! I was going to put up the world hide & seek champion gag, as it stands now al Zawhiri his no.2 is the new world champion with Mullah Omar moving up from 3rd to 2nd place.
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    I was reading the news articles about this on Yahoo. Someone posted an apt comment below one of the articles: "The last thing Osama Bin Laden saw was an American face." Nothing like justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by navyson View Post
    I was reading the news articles about this on Yahoo. Someone posted an apt comment below one of the articles: "The last thing Osama Bin Laden saw was an American face." Nothing like justice.
    And this was indeed nothing like justice - it was revenge, pure and simple. Not something I'm gravely concerned about, but don't confuse this with justice...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdf27 View Post
    And this was indeed nothing like justice - it was revenge, pure and simple. Not something I'm gravely concerned about, but don't confuse this with justice...
    Okay, I'll take revenge.
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    "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." (usually attributed to Churchill, but source unknown)
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdf27 View Post
    And this was indeed nothing like justice - it was revenge, pure and simple. Not something I'm gravely concerned about, but don't confuse this with justice...
    Where is the injustice in the killing by America of a man who murdered several thousand Americans, and other nationalities in America, on 9/11. Not to mention many others elsewhere, including a couple of hundred in Bali in 2002 of which a little less than half were my countrymen.

    Extra-legal killing perhaps, but unjust?

    I regard his death as pure, if rough, justice.

    But if one wants to argue that it was not justice (and ignoring the lack of justice - in the sense of fairness or equality - in much of the domestic and international legal systems), what was the alternative that would have brought him to justice?

    The Pakistani legal system, with its great commitment to human rights (e.g. failure to prosecute men who harm or kill women in 'honour killings') in a nation where the central government has little power over the tribal areas where the Taliban etc are steadily building to the point where in the not too distant future the rest of the world will probably face a nuclear armed nation of Islamic fanatics? It's hardly an accident that bin Laden lived in relative luxury in a military enclave in Pakistan while the rest of the world thought he was living in a cave.

    Sure, America exercised power rather than law (albeit justly) in executing bin Laden, but how is that different to most other nations?

    Given a choice between America exercising its power in these circumstances and the likes of bin Laden exercising their power when given sanctuary by the former Taliban regime in Afghanistan, I'd rather it was America.
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