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  1. #31
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    May 2005
    Paramilitary wing of CAMRA

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    Quote Originally Posted by royal744 View Post
    During the recent crisis, I would point out that Ford took not a dime from the federal government and GM paid back all of its loans with interest. So I wouldn't call the industry dead or "killed" by any means, but the managers will need to remain innovative, lean and mean and ever vigilant.
    It's also worth pointing out that Ford and GM are historically the only ones with a major presence outside the US for design and manufacturing, with Ford being far more significant. That's certainly helped Ford of late - a lot of their recent small cars are just models they've been selling over here for years that they've dumbed down a bit and moved to the US market. GM has started doing the same recently, but to a lesser extent. Chrysler has been a bit of a poison chalice for years - it nearly destroyed Mercedes, so I was a bit surprised when Fiat took it on (although if I understand things correctly the US government pretty much bought it, guaranteed the liabilities and gave it to Fiat, so maybe not such a big risk).

    So no, the big three aren't dead by any means, but they only survived thanks to various distinctly non free-market practices (legal limits on the number of Japanese imported cars for instance - same thing happened in Europe). That gave them enough time (somehow) to sort out their frankly awful manufacturing practices and get a grip on quality. They're still not as good as the Japanese, but the difference isn't embarrassing any more.
    I have neither the time nor the inclination to differentiate between the incompetent and the merely unfortunate - Curtis E LeMay

  2. #32
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    San Antonio, Texas

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    Pay a visit to Greenfield Village, a museum that Ford did build in Dearborn. This is a huge, spectacular indoor/outdoor museum of old and new technology including locomotives, aircraft, Edison's original lab and much, much more. Willow Run itself was much too bif to have been used as a museum and the real estate was much too valuable to just sit there.


    "Entering Greenfield Village is like stepping into an 80-acre time machine. It takes you back to the sights, sounds and sensations of America’s past. There are 83 authentic, historic structures, from Noah Webster’s home, where he wrote the first American dictionary, to Thomas Edison’s Menlo Park laboratory, to the courthouse where Abraham Lincoln practiced law. The buildings and the things to see are only the beginning. There’s the fun stuff, too. In Greenfield Village, you can ride in a genuine Model T or “pull” glass with world-class artisans; you can watch 1867 baseball or ride a train with a 19th-century steam engine. It’s a place where you can choose your lunch from an 1850s menu or spend a quiet moment pondering the home and workshop where the Wright brothers invented the airplane. Greenfield Village is a celebration of people — people whose unbridled optimism came to define modern-day America."
    Last edited by royal744; 07-22-2013 at 02:52 PM.

  3. #33
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    Somewhere on the west coast

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    These all look really nice. They are actually accurate because most of the time people screw up these things.......
    So its great that I have found this website with people who enjoy this era

    Life is short... We should then cherish every sec of it.

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