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    The Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress entered service in 1938 with the USAAC, it was a four-engined heavy bomber which evolved rapidly during WW2.

    The early versions of the Fortress were not very successful, but rapid development of the 'E' 'F' and 'G' models made a huge difference to the survivability and and effectiveness of the aircraft and it became renowned for it's ability to take heavy battle damage.

    The Fortress was armed with up 13 x 12.7mm machine guns (B-17G) and carried a 8,000 lb bomb load as standard for short range missions.

    B-17G (Fortress III) of 214 Squadron RAF 1944.
    This is a RCM (Radio Countermeasures) aircraft.



    B-17G of the 4th Bomb Squadron USAAF 1945.



    B-17G of the 324th Bomb Squadron USAAF 1944.



    B-17G of the 336th Bomb Squadron USAAF 1945.



    B-17G of the 340th Bomb Squadron USAAF 1944.



    B-17G of the 358th Bomb Squadron USAAF 1945.



    B-17G of the 364th Bomb Squadron USAAF 1944.



    B-17G of the 414th Bomb Squadron USAAF 1944.



    B-17G of the 418th Bomb Squadron USAAF 1943.


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    B-17G of the 509th Bomb Squadron USAAF 1944.



    B-17G of the 533rd Bomb Squadron USAAF 1945.



    B-17G of the 535th Bomb Squadron USAAF 1944.



    B-17G of the 601st Bomb Squadron USAAF 1945.



    B-17G of the 615th Bomb Squadron USAAF 1945.



    B-17G of the 835th Bomb Squadron USAAF 1945.



    B-17G of the 837th Bomb Squadron USAAF 1945.


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    Clave,
    the quality of your work is really impressive! Thanx for sharing...
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    Excellent as always Clave!!!



    What you do in life, echoes in eternity!!!

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    Great pictures Clave,

    I had a restored Yankee Lady B-17G fly over my property a few times on June 2013, I'm in the local airport flight path. The sound of those engines above is both fascinating and scary.

    The local paper reported that during one of flights a local WW2 B17 Bomber vet was aboard.

    Yankee Lady B17G You Tube Vid:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVpatrZzOvs


    I think in memory of James Shuttleworth, many of these old WW2 planes still visit the area.

    http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51...h_022003.shtml

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    I was wrong, there were actually four local WW2 Vets who were able to take a ride on the Yankee Lady.

    Wilbert L. "Curly" Seibold, Robert L. Randol, Dean A. Gressley and Don E. Baer were treated to the flight on Friday, June 21, through the efforts of Mayor Brooks Fetters, the Huntington County Veterans Service Office, Huntington County Veterans Council and two private donors. Seibold and Randol are both former prisoners of war.

    Here's the link : http://www.huntingtoncountytab.com/c...b-17-ride-gift

    Here is the website for the B-17G Yankee Lady:

    http://www.yankeeairmuseum.org/b17_flying_fortress.php

    I thought it was good story.

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    These were taken at the Tucson Air & Space Museum last year. Enjoy.
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    These were taken in 2010 at Stinson Field in San Antonio. This B-17 was in flying condition.
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    These also from Stinson Field in San Antonio:

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    Beautiful artwork for a beautiful plane. WW2 bombers, particularly the Allied designs, are among the most gorgeous planes ever created.

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    Thanks for the pictures royal744.

    Bonzelite, I agree they are very beautiful planes. It's almost impossible to imagine what the crews went thru during their missions.

    I need to visit the Dayton Air and Space Museum in Dayton, Ohio. Its not that far from me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wittmann View Post
    Thanks for the pictures royal744.

    Bonzelite, I agree they are very beautiful planes. It's almost impossible to imagine what the crews went thru during their missions.

    I need to visit the Dayton Air and Space Museum in Dayton, Ohio. Its not that far from me.
    Yes I started becoming interested in WW2 bombers recently and have been avidly watching documentaries quite regularly. The beauty is juxtaposed with such horror and heroism--very hard to grasp in real terms being merely an armchair hobbyist as I have become. The call to duty and living that out as the crew is traveling over land and sea to the targets cannot be put into words. And then the intensity of air battle thereafter... it must have been unreal.

    It's also somewhat tragic furthermore that most of these magnificent machines were nearly 90% scrapped and rendered extinct forevermore, with only a scant few flying and on display in museums. Out of tens of thousands made only a few score are extant. That seems wrong. These are among some of the finest and most beautiful planes ever created and they were nearly all earnestly destroyed just minutes after the war ended.

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    They are beautiful, but then beauty is in the eye of the beholder and wasn't the point which was to drop bombs. Even with the formidable defensive armor of the B-17, it generally was not enough to withstand the determined assault of the Luftwaffe which shot these planes down in huge numbers. Bombing accuracy was not good either. The famed Norden bombsight failed to deliver. I forget the statistics, but the Strategic American Bombing Survey conducted following the war determined that a very small percentage of bombs released actually hit their targets. The English already knew this and resorted to area bombing at night which was akin to using a hand grenade to kill an ant. The Mustang eventually saved the day for the B-17 by providing cover all the way to Germany and back. Goering, seeing the Mustangs over Berlin, concluded with, "I knew then that the war was lost."
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    Quote Originally Posted by royal744 View Post
    They are beautiful, but then beauty is in the eye of the beholder and wasn't the point which was to drop bombs. Even with the formidable defensive armor of the B-17, it generally was not enough to withstand the determined assault of the Luftwaffe which shot these planes down in huge numbers. Bombing accuracy was not good either. The famed Norden bombsight failed to deliver. I forget the statistics, but the Strategic American Bombing Survey conducted following the war determined that a very small percentage of bombs released actually hit their targets. The English already knew this and resorted to area bombing at night which was akin to using a hand grenade to kill and ant. The Mustang eventually saved the day for the B-17 by providing cover all the way to Germany and back. Goering, seeing the Mustangs over Berlin, concluded with, "I knew then that the war was lost."
    From my cursory knowledge of the bombing campaigns of the Allies over Europe, the accuracy and survival rate improved as the war went into its later stages. The Americans were the daytime/tactical bombing element and the British were the night shift/area bombing aspect--which amounted to a 24 hour daily regimen of bombing Germany.

    After a time, the Americans, too, began area bombing and targeting civilians directly as the war matured (Dresden is the example that sticks out). From my understanding, the sheer numbers of planes available and replaced by the Allied forces overwhelmed the Luftwaffe despite Germany's myriad technical advantages in aerial combat. Germany's technical edge began to diminish in relevance as their Luftwaffe wasn't replaced at the pace of the Allied planes.

    Evidently the United States adopted the Henry Ford mass assembly line ethos of bomber and fighter production, outpacing and outnumbering in units all of the Allied country's rate of plane production combined. Also the Luftwaffe failed to coordinate their radar tracking systems which, despite their superior radar, left them without the intelligence gathering of the Allies whose radar systems were inferior but much more coordinated and made into a "system."

    And then there are the various individual models of bombers and fighters that each brought strengths and weaknesses to the battlespace. For example, the B-17 is perhaps the most famous and good looking of the bombers, with the B-25 as a strong competitor in that regard, whilst the B-26 is the "black sheep" of the bombers which was plagued with technical issues in its development cycle even though once worked out was more "capable" than the 17 or 25.

    This is all very endlessly fascinating I'm avidly learning more and more about it every day. And I thank forums like this one for the great content.

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    I found these flight simulator/documentary style personal mini-movies about WW2 air battles on YouTube. Here are a couple:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=69sswO0WTFU

    "A flight simulator movie based on a short story written by Colonel Merle Fister, USAF, retired. It's about a mission that he flew on June 6th, 1944. The movie is narrated by Col. Fister."
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    JG 52's Messerschmitt vs B-17

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThAO8axuhsA

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