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    Default Re: German spy North Queensland WW2

    Quote Originally Posted by clannev View Post
    I do not have all the answers that is why I am trying to research all info that I do have
    I accept that the war threw up all sorts of improbable but true experiences for many people, but working backwards I don't understand how she got out of Australia without a passport.

    The possibilities seem to me to be:

    1. She left on a passport but came to the attention of Australian authorities because of her pre-embarkation associations in Australia or, less likely given the limited resources and limitied competence of Australian security services, overseas post-embarkation.

    2. She left in some unauthorised fashion without a passport which prevented her returning through legitimate entry points.

    But that leaves unanswered the puzzling question of what identification she sent ahead of herself after landing in Australia? If it was legitimate Australian identification she didn't need to. If it was forged Australian identification, presumably of German origin, she didn't need to if it was any good. If it was neither, there was no point to sending it forward.

    But in either case, it seems that she didn't need any identification as she was able to move freely after leaving her American captors.
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    "But that leaves unanswered the puzzling question of what identification she sent ahead of herself after landing in Australia? If it was legitimate Australian identification she didn't need to. If it was forged Australian identification, presumably of German origin, she didn't need to if it was any good. If it was neither, there was no point to sending it forward."


    She may have been using multiple identification papers. It is common for spies to use papers for several different personas. The ID not in current use is concealed or better carried into the operating area by other methods so a customs or counter intelligence searches do not find the documents in the spies possesion.

    This allows the spy to enter with documents suited for easy entry, then to drop that persona making it a bit harder for the counter intel to track them. The second persona may not be as suitable for entry, but better for the actual operation.

    Her personal objective may have been to simply reenter Australia & letting the Germans pay her travel fare & otherwise aid the entry was one way to do that. If this was her only motivation then forwarding the other document was her personal action with the object of dropping the German prepared persona/s & picking up the other. This implies she did not intend to actually pass info to Germany, but just to return home. If this case were the truth then I'd call her clever.
    Last edited by Carl Schwamberger; 11-19-2010 at 09:21 AM.

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    Thank you both for all comments and suggestions. I do not know what papers she sent ahead, but this is the way she always travelled. She did not leave the country legally. Most times from her oral history it was from a private airfield in North Qld. My father said she was in and out on false passports, but he didn't know much of her story at all as she was a woman of mystery and had to leave him eventually because of all this war stuff as she refused to tell him anything. I have a letter that implies one of the Germans supplied her with a false passport so she could leave the country to get married at the beginning of the war as she states in a letter that she more than repaid that debt.

    The attachment that I included a few weeks ago was probably hard for you to read as my mother's English writing is hard to read until use to it and I don't know if you can enlarge it enough to read.

    This is the typed version

    " Left hong Kong 25th December, 1941 (Hong Kong fell to the Japanese). Declined to go up coast to Mirs Bay. Chinese A. Chan guided party across China to Chungking and safety.

    (In Kowloon two camps operated Sham Shui Po Camp and Argyle St Camp) Left Kowloon crossed South China to Kunming

    In food had: 1 8oz tin creamed rice
    1 4oz tin biscuits
    1 tin condensed milk
    ?1 tin Bornox
    1 tin Soya Bean Powder
    1 sm. bottle peanut oil

    In clothing had meagre basic attire
    1 ? cape
    1 pr. rubber soled shoes

    also had a canvas haversack
    1 water bottle
    150 ft length thin rope
    1 reel thread/2 needles
    1 sm. pocket knife
    1 tin opener/matches
    Writing paper/pencil
    Also pack of papers hid in waterproof containing maps of the area as far as Maichow
    plus $180 in Hong Kong Dollars

    ___________________

    Kingsclere
    Carnavon Rd
    Kowloon

    _______________

    Many difficulties then aided and reached Singapore late
    January, then Singapore fell February 1942 to Japanese
    Midnight flight from deserted field by plane to the open sea
    picking up party arrived 3am

    Landed North Queensland coast
    Australia proceeded south with
    supplies and information – back
    north to Queensland and
    then set out for Tripoli, Durna,
    Biskra,Sidi bel Abbes Four
    months of much moving back
    and forth then to Marseilles"

    (Oral history and I taped my mother without her knowing) There was a few months inbetween arriving in Sydney and leaving again for North Africa as in my mother was at home with her parents when Sydney was bombed by the Japanese subs 8th June. Houses bombed in the streets around their house. She had just left Singapore day before it fell to Japanese and she talks on tape of bombs falling aroung her in Singapore. ( so must have been scary for her, she made her parents get under the kitchen table)

    She also met my father an Australian soldier on the Manly ferry in Sydney in December 1942.

    I think these are all incredible experiences for such a young girl.

    This whole story is like trying to put together a jigsaw puzzel without the picture.

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