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    accudentally foung the interesting photo of Ukrainian greetings of Nazis in their national dress.




    Female parade of eastern untermenshensThat's cool...

    German commander gets the congrads from woman.



    DO somebody know who is that hook-nose aryan?




    The staged photo for propogandic purposes. Kinda that "abundance" is waiting for Ukrainaisn during "free life" under German ruling..
    To the happiness, the future gauleiter Erich Koch doesn't see thatHe showed them the "abundence" in 1943-44.
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    Don't know who he is (yet) but in the first place he's not a military commander but an NSDAP leader (see oversized eagle on cap).
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    Yes sure, he is party leader. But who is that?

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    A staged propaganda event it may have been but initially at least, the German forces were seen as liberators as opposed to a conquering force in the Ukraine.

    Some judicious actions on the part of Soviet partisans and Nazi responses changed that as the war went on though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leccy View Post
    A staged propaganda event it may have been but initially at least, the German forces were seen as liberators as opposed to a conquering force in the Ukraine.
    have to say far not all the ethnical groups of multi-national Ukraine looked at this as at "liberation".Say largest polish and jewish minorities in Western Ukraine were terrorised and murdered since the most began of German occupation.By the Ukrainain nationalists.
    Some judicious actions on the part of Soviet partisans and Nazi responses changed that as the war went on though.
    The partisan movenment was a result of cruel occupation policy , i have to add.
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    I've got it..

    The "hook- nose" is a Nazis Governor-General of Poland Hans Frank
    Who was responsible for policy of "germanisation" in that area.
    By what was he doing in Ukraine as claime the photo source?The friendly visit?

    the second one is the the governor of Galicia distric Otto Wдchter
    and his hinest face

    He was also a great "enthusiast" of ethnic purges in Western Ukraine.
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    Chevan, I may have this wrong, but memory says the sharing of bread and salt was a traditional welcome in the Ukraine.
    That's how the images look to me, at any rate: a simple gesture of welcome to the Germans. Is this the case shown here?
    The second question I have is one that perhaps only a Russian or Ukrainian could answer, and it is this: is it likely that the Ukrainian folk merely carried out the ceremony in order to create a lack of suspicion in the Germans, to "mentally disarm" the Germans in a sense, so as to be better able to operate against them (`a la Partisan-mode) at a later stage?

    I'm a little bit ignorant of the mentality (with regard to the Germans) of either an ethnic Russian or an ethnic Ukrainian at that point of time in the war.
    So, please pardon my ignorance, as I assure you, my friend, not one atom of offence is intended.

    Kind and Respectful Regards Chevan my friend, Uyraell.
    I'm trying to understand a thing which my westernised upbringing doesn't quite match in cultural terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uyraell View Post
    Chevan, I may have this wrong, but memory says the sharing of bread and salt was a traditional welcome in the Ukraine.
    That's how the images look to me, at any rate: a simple gesture of welcome to the Germans. Is this the case shown here?
    The second question I have is one that perhaps only a Russian or Ukrainian could answer, and it is this: is it likely that the Ukrainian folk merely carried out the ceremony in order to create a lack of suspicion in the Germans, to "mentally disarm" the Germans in a sense, so as to be better able to operate against them (`a la Partisan-mode) at a later stage?
    You absolutly right, my friend, the "bread and salt" is a traditional ceremony among all Eastern Slavs( not just in Ukraine).
    But it wasn't a simple guest of welcome germans. Coz those people, shown in photo, are happy and dress well, went in SS-style parades . They celebrate the "liberation" and frankly glad.
    It's not obviously created to operate against Germans- coz Germans were allies of Ukraine Nationalist that period. However Germans denied any claims for Indpendent Ukraine soon after occupation.Thus, Germans administration clearly made a priorities - the slavs are subhuman who has no right for OWN independent state. At the same time Germany generously promised the lands to Tatar's Muslim and everybody else who hate the slavs and were ready to colloborate .
    Nazis propogand widely used such a "welcome parades" to justify their "special liberation mission in East". The stupidity of Ukrainian sycopants who glorified Nazis- was that they thought , if nazis let them to exterminate all the poles , jews and moskaleis ( pro-russians) around , then they likely could avoid the same fate from Nazis hands.Very danger and foolish supposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    You absolutly right, my friend, the "bread and salt" is a traditional ceremony among all Eastern Slavs( not just in Ukraine).
    But it wasn't a simple guest of welcome germans. Coz those people, shown in photo, are happy and dress well, went in SS-style parades . They celebrate the "liberation" and frankly glad.
    It's not obviously created to operate against Germans- coz Germans were allies of Ukraine Nationalist that period. However Germans denied any claims for Indpendent Ukraine soon after occupation.Thus, Germans administration clearly made a priorities - the slavs are subhuman who has no right for OWN independent state. At the same time Germany generously promised the lands to Tatar's Muslim and everybody else who hate the slavs and were ready to colloborate .
    Nazis propogand widely used such a "welcome parades" to justify their "special liberation mission in East". The stupidity of Ukrainian sycopants who glorified Nazis- was that they thought , if nazis let them to exterminate all the poles , jews and moskaleis ( pro-russians) around , then they likely could avoid the same fate from Nazis hands.Very danger and foolish supposition.
    That explains much, my friend, and my profound thanks to you for your very clear answer.
    Which means I now have to ask another, possibly sensitive question, and again, I ask it in order to understand, the matter, and without in any way seeking to offend by asking.
    Question is:
    Didn't they see it coming, and if not, why not?

    By that stage, the Germans didn't exactly have a clean track record in any of the territories they had occupied, be it France, Holland, the Baltic states, or wherever.
    I'm confused that the Ukrainians, Nationalist or otherwise (without even mentioning the various other national/racial groupings, Tartars, Azeris, etc), didn't know of the fates that had already befallen the other lands,
    and thus didn't realise the dangers they had set themselves up for.

    Kind and Respectful Regards Chevan my friend, Uyraell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uyraell
    I now have to ask another, possibly sensitive question, and again, I ask it in order to understand, the matter, and without in any way seeking to offend by asking.
    Question is:
    Didn't they see it coming, and if not, why not?
    .
    They definitelly saw what was going on.But being, the Ethnic-racist/extremist they didn't think much ( deep) about how can it be profitable for their state strategically.Fanally , the Ukrainian-Nazis colloboration was explained by the .. common hate to other races ( who lived next door ) and has brought nothing except the new blood and massacres in Ukraine.
    They were so happy thay are "liberated" that were TOO busy to think what might happend with peoples who lived among them.And Nazis were happy they such easy can to tear slavic peoples up.
    The Ethnic Nationalism is a dangerest thing ever been.

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    I don't know anything about the different groups in the Ukraine.

    Some obviously supported the Nazis, which wasn't surprising at the time as there were fascist movements all over Europe and even in America and Britain.

    But what were the ethnic differences?

    Was it a bit like Yugoslavia when it collapsed after Tito into civil, ethnic and religious wars? Not unlike Yugoslavia during WWII in some equally vile and violent respects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    I don't know anything about the different groups in the Ukraine.

    Some obviously supported the Nazis, which wasn't surprising at the time as there were fascist movements all over Europe and even in America and Britain.

    But what were the ethnic differences?

    Was it a bit like Yugoslavia when it collapsed after Tito into civil, ethnic and religious wars? Not unlike Yugoslavia during WWII in some equally vile and violent respects.
    RS* my Aussie mate, you've stolen My thunder just a little, because that set of questions was among the ones I had planned to ask. **Hands you another amber-coloured refreshment**

    These things interest me, not least because the information in the west is either distorted or quite often biased, and I've had to wait over half my life to get anywhere near/near- to-finding a source which is likely to be closer to the various truths of the matters than those available heretofore.

    Kind and Respectful Regards, RS* my Aussie mate, Uyraell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevan View Post
    They definitelly saw what was going on.But being, the Ethnic-racist/extremist they didn't think much ( deep) about how can it be profitable for their state strategically.Fanally , the Ukrainian-Nazis colloboration was explained by the .. common hate to other races ( who lived next door ) and has brought nothing except the new blood and massacres in Ukraine.
    They were so happy thay are "liberated" that were TOO busy to think what might happend with peoples who lived among them.And Nazis were happy they such easy can to tear slavic peoples up.
    The Ethnic Nationalism is a dangerest thing ever been.
    I understand you well, my friend:
    The old "divide and conquer" technique.
    I do hope I have not offended by asking these things;
    I have tried very hard to be careful with my words, and respectful of a set of things my western culture/upbringing has not really taught me to understand.
    Further: if by some mischance I have caused any offence, I Apologise to you, Chevan.

    It is difficult for me to understand a thing which includes cultural backgrounds which your eyes might already know, but my eyes, from a different cultural tradition, might not even know exist. And: I truly do want to understand these things.

    I Agree completely with you about Ethnic Nationalism: it is a ferociously dangerous thing, no-matter how benign it might appear to be.

    Warm, Kind, and Respectful Regards Chevan my friend, Uyraell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun* View Post
    But what were the ethnic differences?

    Was it a bit like Yugoslavia when it collapsed after Tito into civil, ethnic and religious wars? Not unlike Yugoslavia during WWII in some equally vile and violent respects.
    The difference in a scale , mate.
    the Yugoslavia is not a monoethnical state - there is never been such a Yugoslavic nation, Coz from most beginning it were Union( federation) of different Southern Slavic nations. The collapse of Yugoslavia has brought to the Ethnic War , the collape of Nazis controlled Ukraine has brought to an mass Ethnical Murders of a essential ( but relatively smal -up to 5% of total population) Ethnical minorities by the Ukrainain nationalists.The Ethical clearings in Volun and Galicia, in 1943-44 when The Ukrainain nationalists went out of Nizis control - the bloody slaygheting of Polish minorities for few months has almost cleaned poles out there.This small Holocaust which was fully on responsibility the Ukrainian Nationalists has folowed since most 1941 when many traitors went on parades imagine they are the "equal race" to Germans.
    Nazis just laugh and support that show for their political purposes.

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    The German Federal Archives (Bundesarchiv) offers some beautiful color photos of such an event (it was indeed not only done to welcome high-level Nazis etc.). Near Poltava, summer 1941:


    http://www.bild.bundesarchiv.de/arch...674917/?search[view]=detail&search[focus]=19


    http://www.bild.bundesarchiv.de/arch...674917/?search[view]=detail&search[focus]=20


    http://www.bild.bundesarchiv.de/arch...674917/?search[view]=detail&search[focus]=22


    http://www.bild.bundesarchiv.de/arch...674917/?search[view]=detail&search[focus]=28
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