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    Quote Originally Posted by boyne_water View Post
    I think it was designed by a group that was invoved in WW1 tank design.The acronym TOG stood for The Old Gang.
    You are completely correct.

    As with the "Nellie" Trench (digging) Machine, Churchill thought it worth calling on the surviving members of the Landships Committee and the surviving men that had worked with Swinton and others, to see if the ideas those men had had in 1915/1916 could be applied to 1940.
    The results were (chiefly, though there were many ideas generated, some of which did come to fruition in Hobart's Funnies) Nellie, and TOG I and TOG II.

    Not surprisingly, both TOG vehicles bear more than a passing resemblance to the WW1 rhomboidal Tanks the same men had designed, albeit considerably updated in metallurgical terms, along with powerplant and drivetrain.
    In effect, the TOG team got to do in 1940 what they had been unable to achieve fully in 1916: design and build the tank(s) they had both foreseen as necessary and wanted to build.

    Whether either vehicle would in fact have had any use on the battlefields of post-1940 is problematical to say the least, because the vehicles lacked in speed and adequate armament, and later fell into that horrifying spiral/triangular circumstance wherein the gun(s) need to be better, the armour is adequate (but needs reinforcing with more armour) , but the engine needs to be more powerful.

    I'm certain one TOG vehicle survives at Bovington, though offhand do not recall whether it be TOG I or TOG II.

    Kind and Respectful Regards Boyne_Water, Uyraell.
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    I tought I was going to be able to answer that one for you, as their website used to have a list of exhibits, but they've changed the format (terrible) and no longer list exhibits.
    I have to say, that apart form the number of tanks on display, which goes up & up, the museum as an attraction for the devotee is not as good as it was say 30 years ago.

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    A Beasty looking Sentinal AC IV (Prototype) to test if the AC III/IV could take the recoil of a 17 pounder



    Twin 25 pounder field guns
    Last edited by leccy; 08-07-2010 at 06:06 AM. Reason: image post seemed to not work

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidW View Post
    I tought I was going to be able to answer that one for you, as their website used to have a list of exhibits, but they've changed the format (terrible) and no longer list exhibits.
    I have to say, that apart form the number of tanks on display, which goes up & up, the museum as an attraction for the devotee is not as good as it was say 30 years ago.
    Many Thanks for trying to find out, DavidW.
    I've a vague memory of both TOG vehicles being listed on documents/histories at Bovington, but of only one ever being on display. Then again, I've only ever had online access, it being that I'm marooned down here in bloody NZ.

    One day, I'd like to see Bovington and Saumur, and the new Museum in Germany, as well as the Tanks that will be at Fort Benning, and those at Kublinka.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leccy View Post
    A Beasty looking Sentinal AC IV (Prototype) to test if the AC III/IV could take the recoil of a 17 pounder



    Twin 25 pounder field guns
    That was one of the versions I was thinking of, Leccy.
    Thank you for posting that.

    All in all, the Sentinel series vehicles represent a prodigious effort on the part of Australia, and one that many histories of AFV's tend to either overlook or skim across lightly at best.

    Had I been in the Pacific theater, ground-pounding against the Japanese, I'd have been giving Thanks regularly for the availability of the Sentinels and other Aussie Armoured Fighting Vehicles had they gone into production.
    They were formidable vehicles, in my humble opinion.
    I'm certain the Sentinels III and IV would have outperformed any but the last generation of Japanese tanks, and those never left the Home Islands.

    Kind and Respectful Regards Leccy, Uyraell.

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    Did both guns fire together or were the able to fire individually?
    I imagine there would be issues with the trunion alignment through time with the guns firing singley.Then again i suppose the guys who built it would have worked it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uyraell View Post

    The funny part about that was, that Australia did actually produce a series of indigenous armoured vehicles, based on M3 medium components, particularly chassis and drivetrain. The best to emerge was a beasty called AC1 Sentinel, versions of which eventually carried a 75mm cannon as in the M4 Sherman, and a 76.2 mm cannon as in 17-pdr Firefly in a later incarnation of the same Sentinel. There was a Fire Support Version made as well, which at one stage carried a 25pdr, and at another stage carried a 105mm howitzer. The Fire Support version retained the rotating turret of the original Sentinel.
    In addition, there was an Australian "home-grown" equivalent of both M7 Priest and Sexton, also based on the M3 medium chassis. Further to that, there was also an Australian "home-grown" BARV based on the M3 medium chassis, which unique vehicle still exists to this day.

    Taken over-all the Aussies did a damn fine job of designing and producing the tank family they did, considering there was no history of such production in Australia prior to 1939.

    By shameful contrast, New Zealand had nothing comparable, nor made any effort of note to do so.

    Kind and Respectful Regards, Uyraell.
    That may be,, but you did have Burt Monro, so I'd call it even..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzerknacker View Post
    A image of the TOG I, with a Matilda II turret. The superheavy tank an diesel-electric drive, not unlike some Mr Porsche designs.


    Nor, for that matter, unlike some of the designs for the Char 2C, CharB2 Bis, Char D series, (and various other French armoured vehicle projects), that included electric transmission.

    I suspect the French vehicles may have had a "cross-pollination" influence, to a reasonable degree. The chassis also bears a strong resemblance to that of the heavy Chars.

    Even so, I'm of the view the TOG vehicles would be problematic to employ on a battlefield, in much the same way as the Jadgtiger (formidable though that vehicle was), was nonetheless problematic to employ on a battlefield where speed and manoeuver were necessary.

    The point was made, in one book I have: far better to have taken the main armament of the Tortoise (the 32 Pdr AA) and put it as the main gun in a turreted tank. It would have been almost as formidable as a Jagdtiger, more manoeuverable, and a wiser choice than TOG series or Tortoise.

    Kind and Respectful Regards my friend, Uyraell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boyne_water View Post
    Did both guns fire together or were the able to fire individually?
    I imagine there would be issues with the trunion alignment through time with the guns firing singley.Then again i suppose the guys who built it would have worked it out.

    From the little I have read about the AC IV with the twin 25 pounders were fired together to simulate the bigger recoil of the 17 pounder gun. This was so they could see if the recoil would wreck the tank and if the turret ring could take the force.

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    Thanks for the info.Ive seen a few photos of the Sentinal but very limited data on it.Cheers Leccy.This i why i visit this site not to post but to learn,

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankgeezer View Post
    That may be,, but you did have Burt Monro, so I'd call it even..
    Many Thanks for that mention, TG my friend.
    It is one hell of a good story.
    I've actually seen that Indian as a kid, and have some vague memory of having at least seen Munro alive, if not actually have spoken with him.
    In later years, I saw either the bike or a very exact replica, though I no longer recall where, or under what circumstances.

    Warm, Kind, and Respectful Regards TG, Uyraell.

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    Nor, for that matter, unlike some of the designs for the Char 2C, CharB2 Bis, Char D series, (and various other French armoured vehicle projects), that included electric transmission.

    I suspect the French vehicles may have had a "cross-pollination" influence, to a reasonable degree. The chassis also bears a strong resemblance to that of the heavy Chars.
    Yes, yeas, that too, is just that I have more sources and books on german armor than french one, I should had plenty of both, shame on me.

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